Rex Hudler Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 You win Rex. I don't disagree with the premise of the point you were trying to make at all. I just think the tone of the way the Sox play was set 3-4 years ago and without personnel, it is not like Manuel could have just walked into the locker room and say "Hey guys, I think we need to change how we play today". Could subtle changes have been made in the off-season? Sure But without changing personnel, I don't think expecting the 2003 Sox to play small ball was realistic. If anything, a change in philosophy could have come from the change in hitting coach. He is realistically more responsible for talking to the hitters about their approach at the plate than the manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfficerKarkovice Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 FWIW and that may be nothing, but I have heard from multiple directions that George Brett is an all-out asshole. I've met him before...and yeah...asshole is one of the words that fits nicely. He was decent when I met him, not friendly but not mean, but it was in the clubhouse of a Royals spring training game down in Florida some years back and he was just walking around b****ing and moaning and yelling at people. It was rediculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 JMHO here, but I think we could do that very easily. You telling me Alomar, Lee, Ordonez, Everett, Valentin, and Olivo couldn't steal the bases, play aggressively, and become better baserunners overall? That we couldn't have gotten Rowand, Graffy, and Harris involved in the game more? Or thar more bunting couldn't have happened? How about the hit-and-run? We could have done a ton of those things more often...and I didn't even scratch the surface of NL style of play. It's all a matter of execution. We couldn't do it very often, because we didn't try it very often. I know I am simplifying this, but if our players just tried to hit line drives and go the other way and move runners over, i can almost guarantee you that we would be in the playoffs right now. These players are capable. It's so simple, it's brilliant. That is exactly why we are not playing the Yankees right now. And we'd beat those s.o.b.'s too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Cito Gaston taking the team. I'd take Torre over him, if at all possible, but I'd be happy with Gaston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Ozzie Guillen had no patience at the plate and I do not recall him being all that great of a fundamental player, just what we need. His persona may be cute but I think this would be a tragic hiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Ozzie Guillen had no patience at the plate and I do not recall him being all that great of a fundamental player, just what we need. His persona may be cute but I think this would be a tragic hiring. Not to mention he pretty much told the fans we don't need you. :fyou Guillen. We don't need HIM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Not to mention he pretty much told the fans we don't need you. :fyou Guillen. We don't need HIM! bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Ozzie Guillen had no patience at the plate and I do not recall him being all that great of a fundamental player, just what we need. His persona may be cute but I think this would be a tragic hiring. bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moochpuppy Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 But Molitor usually gets good reviews and was mentioned as a possibility with the Twinkies if Gardenhire had bombed. Rumor up here is that Molitor was rather upset that he was passed over when they gave the job to Gardy. Molitor is not one to complain in public so there could be some hurt feelings there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Rumor up here is that Molitor was rather upset that he was passed over when they gave the job to Gardy. Molitor is not one to complain in public so there could be some hurt feelings there. I thought Molitor passed up consideration for the job?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I've had the pleasure to meet Ozzie on two occasions. Once on the street another time at a charity event. He impressed me both times. I would applaud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringfieldFan Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 How about Ozzie as player manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moochpuppy Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Ozzie = good PR move. Has anyone mentioned Ron Kittle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirotka33 Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Just a thought here but do any of these new candidates have any experience with managing the pitching staff?? IMHO I thought that was one of Jerrys biggest weaknesses. He was terrible! The lack of support for Garland, the Cotts in NY decision, and the failure to find a decent solution for the 5th starter problem that we had ALL YEAR! : I would feel a hell of a lot better if we had a man with experience dealing with a Major league rotation. Like Gaston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Ozzie = good PR move. Has anyone mentioned Ron Kittle? Kittle couldn't even manage the Schaumburg Flyers!!! so what did they do but give hima job higher up in the front office. He's pretty much the GM over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Its a common pattern that good players are s***ty managers. Roger Hornsby, who one would think would be a great teacher of the game, was a terrible manager. Their expectations are typically too high... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 If Ozzie will have guys running the bases, then we NEED him here. Lee led the team in SB... with 18. Come on. 18? thats bulls***. We need to get our guys running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 I thought Molitor passed up consideration for the job?? Molitor is worthy of all respect and consideration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Molitor is worthy of all respect and consideration I meant consideration for the Twins job when Gardenhire got it. I thought Molitor basically eliminated himself from being considered at the time. And again, not to bash Molitor, but what do you think would make him a better choice than Backman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 I meant consideration for the Twins job when Gardenhire got it. I thought Molitor basically eliminated himself from being considered at the time. And again, not to bash Molitor, but what do you think would make him a better choice than Backman? I knew what you meant and did not amke that clear in my post, sorry. I have no basis of picking Molitor over Backman. Backman has been my candidate although I like the Gaston possibility. I think Backman and Molitor deserve serious interviews, they are both worthy and quality candidates who bring a lot to the table, with their own pluses and minuses, and let those who hire find the basis for picking one over the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 I thought Molitor passed up consideration for the job?? IIRC the rumours at the time were that Molitor took his name out of the running publicly because the twins were set on Gardenhire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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