Soxplosion Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Im sorry if it was mentioned in this thread, but what exactly did he say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Im sorry if it was mentioned in this thread, but what exactly did he say? The quote was posted in the "Rush Calls out McNabb" thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Did you notice the two most liberal posters are the two screaming for Rush's hide the loudest. Why? They want to shut him up because he is an icon of conservatism and they hate every word that comes out of his mouth. Now, in this : "I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well," Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team." I don't see where he said McNabb "is only started because the media wants a successful black qb." It doesn't say that at all. Oh, one more thing. There was another so called "racist" on that set that day. The one who said that Rush "had a point". That would be Michael Irvin. Racism my ass. Look who's playing the damn race card now. f***ing joke is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Trent Dilfer took the Ravens to a superbowl...doesn't mean he should be a starter and that he's a great qb. I'm not gonna knock McNabb cause I saw the guy singlehandedly carry the Eagles over the Bears a few years ago in the playoffs. I Know the Eagles defense and Miller getting hurt had something to do with it...but I also remember McNabb running out of impossible situations and finding ways to get a first down. It was killa. Although this year he has been pretty bad and if it were a typical qb...he probably would of been benched, imo. Whether it was right or wrong (His comments) i don't think they were intended as anti black or racist at all. Just my opinion though. I think it is McNabbs history and versatility that keeps him out there. If this was Quincy Carter, forget about it, he would be benched. But McNabb has played very well the last 3 years and deserves a million chances. Not too mention his versatility makes him a big play threat even when he is playing poorly, not many guys can say that. Exactly right, that and he was the No.2 draft pick. Betcha those Eagles fans would want Ricky Williams again, lol. But seriously, that playoff game vs the Bears 2 years ago was the pinnacle for Donovan, and I seriously reckon he's gonna backwards since then. Although havin no runnin game or good receivers helps too much I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Did you notice the two most liberal posters are the two screaming for Rush's hide the loudest. Why? They want to shut him up because he is an icon of conservatism and they hate every word that comes out of his mouth. Please my friend show me where anyone is "screaming" for Rush's "hide." Please show me. I believe that I suggested it was a publicity inducing maneuver and not sure apu even suggested anything. I know it is the Rush mantra that his "enemies" are trying to "silence" him and that type of conservative paranoia feeds on itself, but please show me where there was any of that here, please, since you accused apu and me of that - unless you had someone else in mind, and I'd like to see it in their posts in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Yes it is all conservative paranoia. No liberal paranoia involved at all, nothing about thinking everyone who says the word black is a racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Yes it is all conservative paranoia. No liberal paranoia involved at all, nothing about thinking everyone who says the word black is a racist. that does not answer the question - where did apu or I "scream" for his "hide" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 that does not answer the question - where did apu or I "scream" for his "hide" where did i say you did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 You get an A for sophistry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 Please my friend show me where anyone is "screaming" for Rush's "hide." Please show me. I believe that I suggested it was a publicity inducing maneuver and not sure apu even suggested anything. I know it is the Rush mantra that his "enemies" are trying to "silence" him and that type of conservative paranoia feeds on itself, but please show me where there was any of that here, please, since you accused apu and me of that - unless you had someone else in mind, and I'd like to see it in their posts in that case. Ok. Consider that a figure of speech. I yield on that point. Now, since you are so insistant on being me using literal quotes, why then did you fail to respond when I quoted you and pointed out that Limbaugh did not say what you were attributing to him. I noticed you were very selective as to which portion of my post in which you chose to respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 I was not quoting Limbaugh, I took the larger portion of what he said, from the larger piece - not just one sentence - and summarized. I did not say that I was quoting him nor did I imply that I was directly quoting. My summary was very fair to the whole - not just one sentence as you cite - set of statements that Rusgh made about that day's Eagles' game. I did not use literal quotes, nor did I imply that I was quoting, I took the essence of a whole paragraph or several paragrahs, a longer piece at whatever rate. on that day's starter in a pregame game by game discussion on that day's games and starters - in other words, using the total, whole context - and stated what Rush essentially said. I did a fair job. Rush's whole schtick is being the "voice" that the "liberals" are trying to silence, the use of rhetoric to imply a conspiracy, which does not exist, implying statements that were never said in any way, feeding the Rushian sense of white male disenfranichisement and the need to always point to the other side and play the role of victim and name the othes as culprits. Neither apu nor I "screamed" that Rush be "skinned" or any other thing. We were acccused of some sort of censorship thing on our part and that is simply, to quite Sen Tom Harkin of Iowa, bulls***. Personally, I think Rush is is own best parody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 Personally, I think this whole controversy is blown way out of proportion. Rush Limbaugh said a stupid thing. He says lots of them on his show. However, freedom of speech does not guarantee you a spot on ESPN NFL Countdown the last time I checked. His bosses couldn't handle the heat, and probably - although we'll never know for sure - asked him to resign to end the controversy. This controversy is what they wanted in the beginning, but I'm willing to bet that they never thought a firestorm would be this tough. This is a case of executives making a ballsy move but not following through. And, personally I just think Rush was an idiot in his comment. It wasn't racist per se, just completely wrong. I don't think anyone here is going to say Kordell is overrated by anyone, with the possible exception of John Shoop. This would be different if there were only one or two black QBs in the league, but in 2002, 11 or 12 teams had a starting or back-up black QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Limbaugh was out of line, being black had nothing to do with his "rating as a quarterback", his nubers did. Was it offensive?, not to me and not to many, but if it has bothered so many it likely was and therefore very innapropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 I don't think what he said was racism and anyone who thinks so is dumb, but he didn't back up his statement in anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted October 6, 2003 Author Share Posted October 6, 2003 Personally, I think this whole controversy is blown way out of proportion. Rush Limbaugh said a stupid thing. He says lots of them on his show. However, freedom of speech does not guarantee you a spot on ESPN NFL Countdown the last time I checked. His bosses couldn't handle the heat, and probably - although we'll never know for sure - asked him to resign to end the controversy. This controversy is what they wanted in the beginning, but I'm willing to bet that they never thought a firestorm would be this tough. This is a case of executives making a ballsy move but not following through. And, personally I just think Rush was an idiot in his comment. It wasn't racist per se, just completely wrong. I don't think anyone here is going to say Kordell is overrated by anyone, with the possible exception of John Shoop. This would be different if there were only one or two black QBs in the league, but in 2002, 11 or 12 teams had a starting or back-up black QB. Good post....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 Ok. I see how you play. It's ok and fair for you the generalize and put your own twist on someone's words and that's fair. Then when I do it, you say show me where I said that. Fair enough. I'll let it die here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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