NorthSideSox72 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Get caught up on the last month's worth of news and key items around the White Sox minor league system. This will be the last truly "offseason" news and notes before we start the weekly versions, around the end of February (and after ST starts). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Bear with me please. Jake Burger is 21 not projected to be a big leaguer til he's 24. The new line of thought is you are washed up after your age 29 season. So Burger has five seasons to do something in baseball. Interesting. The way this is going nowadays, not many ballplayers are ever going to compile Hall of Fame-ish numbers. Players aren't going to be getting started til 24 or 25 minimum and will be considered expendable at 30, 31. How did we get to this point there's such a small window for baseball players? Every ballplayer should be furious at the age of analytics. Killing their checkbooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 02:18 PM) Bear with me please. Jake Burger is 21 not projected to be a big leaguer til he's 24. The new line of thought is you are washed up after your age 29 season. So Burger has five seasons to do something in baseball. Interesting. The way this is going nowadays, not many ballplayers are ever going to compile Hall of Fame-ish numbers. Players aren't going to be getting started til 24 or 25 minimum and will be considered expendable at 30, 31. How did we get to this point there's such a small window for baseball players? Every ballplayer should be furious at the age of analytics. Killing their checkbooks. According to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 02:18 PM) Bear with me please. Jake Burger is 21 not projected to be a big leaguer til he's 24. The new line of thought is you are washed up after your age 29 season. So Burger has five seasons to do something in baseball. Interesting. The way this is going nowadays, not many ballplayers are ever going to compile Hall of Fame-ish numbers. Players aren't going to be getting started til 24 or 25 minimum and will be considered expendable at 30, 31. How did we get to this point there's such a small window for baseball players? Every ballplayer should be furious at the age of analytics. Killing their checkbooks. Where are you getting this idea they are done when they are 29? There is no foundation in fact here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 02:19 PM) According to? ... the greggster. He's been peering into his seeing eye rabbit hole again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 02:51 PM) ... the greggster. He's been peering into his seeing eye rabbit hole again. This site is way more enjoyable if you put this poster on ignore. If he's not a troll, then he's the Soxtalk version of a WSCR caller during Mike North hosted programs. I'm not sure which is worse between a deliberate instigator or a natural idiot, but the "ignore" option keeps me from having to deal with either option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 08:59 PM) This site is way more enjoyable if you put this poster on ignore. If he's not a troll, then he's the Soxtalk version of a WSCR caller during Mike North hosted programs. I'm not sure which is worse between a deliberate instigator or a natural idiot, but the "ignore" option keeps me from having to deal with either option. I don't know how you could call a fellow South Sider an idiot but to each his own. I'm just a Sox fan wanting to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 03:12 PM) The fact Moustakas can't get a good contract at 29. He's not a superstar but he's above average player. The fact that I sense a general vibe that Abreu is "too old" to get excited about and won't produce through the length of even our next WS window. Opinions like that. It's not that people/teams think players suck after they're 29. It's just that no one wants to pay for their mid/upper-30s years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 03:12 PM) The fact Moustakas can't get a good contract at 29. He's not a superstar but he's above average player. The fact that I sense a general vibe that Abreu is "too old" to get excited about and won't produce through the length of even our next WS window. Opinions like that. Because Mike Moustakas isn't getting the 5 year contract he's been seeking, that means all players are done at 29? Come on. Abreu is 31 and still doing very well. In fact he proves you wrong pretty directly. It's just the reality that in a couple years at 33, history says most players begin to fade by then. Some do, some don't. There are plenty of 33-year-olds still playing though, and much older. Why am I doing this to myself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 09:13 PM) It's not that people/teams think players suck after they're 29. It's just that no one wants to pay for their mid/upper-30s years. Do you agree with me that because of this, careers are going to be shorter in the future and good luck compiling Hall of Fame numbers if you are a ballplayer? QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 09:39 PM) Because Mike Moustakas isn't getting the 5 year contract he's been seeking, that means all players are done at 29? Come on. Abreu is 31 and still doing very well. In fact he proves you wrong pretty directly. It's just the reality that in a couple years at 33, history says most players begin to fade by then. Some do, some don't. There are plenty of 33-year-olds still playing though, and much older. Why am I doing this to myself? Do you at least agree with my premise that it's going to be VERY HARD or at least much harder for players to put up Hall of Fame numbers in the future with a changing mindset regarding age? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 02:51 PM) ... the greggster. He's been peering into his seeing eye rabbit hole again. Leave raBBit out of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesterday333 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 04:20 PM) Do you agree with me that because of this, careers are going to be shorter in the future and good luck compiling Hall of Fame numbers if you are a ballplayer? Do you at least agree with my premise that it's going to be VERY HARD or at least much harder for players to put up Hall of Fame numbers in the future with a changing mindset regarding age? No one is saying those players are useless. They are saying teams don't wanna pay what they used to for them. They can still play long careers they just wont get long contracts for outrageous money anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 05:20 PM) Do you agree with me that because of this, careers are going to be shorter in the future and good luck compiling Hall of Fame numbers if you are a ballplayer? Do you at least agree with my premise that it's going to be VERY HARD or at least much harder for players to put up Hall of Fame numbers in the future with a changing mindset regarding age? Only for the counting stats that people aren't putting as much significance on anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 05:20 PM) Do you agree with me that because of this, careers are going to be shorter in the future and good luck compiling Hall of Fame numbers if you are a ballplayer? Do you at least agree with my premise that it's going to be VERY HARD or at least much harder for players to put up Hall of Fame numbers in the future with a changing mindset regarding age? Only for the counting stats that people aren't putting as much significance on anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 06:20 PM) Do you at least agree with my premise that it's going to be VERY HARD or at least much harder for players to put up Hall of Fame numbers in the future with a changing mindset regarding age? Next offseason, Bryce Harper and Clayton Kershaw will probalby sign contracts that cover something close to 18-20 years between them. Manny Machado will probably get something 10 years long. The next offseason Chris Sale will probably sign for something like 8 years if healthy, and he'll be 30 years old at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 11:28 PM) Only for the counting stats that people aren't putting as much significance on anymore. Should be interesting to see if the voters completely change their criteria in coming years/decades. Because it seems like WAR is the big thing now. However, good luck getting the voters to toss out the normal stats of the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 05:20 PM) Do you agree with me that because of this, careers are going to be shorter in the future and good luck compiling Hall of Fame numbers if you are a ballplayer? Do you at least agree with my premise that it's going to be VERY HARD or at least much harder for players to put up Hall of Fame numbers in the future with a changing mindset regarding age? Rabbithole time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 02:59 PM) This site is way more enjoyable if you put this poster on ignore. If he's not a troll, then he's the Soxtalk version of a WSCR caller during Mike North hosted programs. I'm not sure which is worse between a deliberate instigator or a natural idiot, but the "ignore" option keeps me from having to deal with either option. I hear ya but greggster is Soxtalk's version of this guy... QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 05:23 PM) Leave raBBit out of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 05:48 PM) Tony, we've talked about this over the weekend... SHOW ME THE MONEY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 06:32 PM) Should be interesting to see if the voters completely change their criteria in coming years/decades. Because it seems like WAR is the big thing now. However, good luck getting the voters to toss out the normal stats of the past. Well what will happen is those guys will die... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 What I learned today: 29 is over the hill Hall of fame voters use war now so all other stats are meaningless. The statniks have won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Great thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 07:38 PM) What I learned today: 29 is over the hill Hall of fame voters use war now so all other stats are meaningless. The statniks have won Statnik takeover 2018, can't stop won't stop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 6, 2018 -> 08:44 PM) Great thread we've reached peak offseason. Luckily, it ends in a week. Then we can read about the new stats that say Yoan Moncada is in the best shape of his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 7, 2018 -> 03:56 AM) I can’t wait until people start freaking out about Kopech showing up at like 93 on the radar gun and saying his velocity is way down after their has been countless articles saying this Spring and season he is going focus primarily on offspeed stuff. Just wait, it’s coming. No way, it will be myself and others freaking out about Giolito and Lopez's velocity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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