PC out of Control

[greg775]

So the always-popular Father-Daughter dances for dads and their daughters are in danger of extinction. A NYC school in Staten Island has called off Friday's dance because of new gender guidelines.

Trump, Jr., has freaked out and ripped PC culture for wrecking such a beautiful event.

I bet Donald is getting his Twitter ready for this issue.

I mean cmon. Anybody who has been to a Father-Daughter dance realizes this is special and there's nothing wrong with it.

 

In the Yahoo article ...

 

"Activities that divide children based on sex or gender are problematic, especially given new research published Monday in the journal Pediatrics, which found that more children are identifying as transgender or gender nonconforming.

 

“Gender-based activities are rooted in old-fashioned gender stereotypes,” Lenora Lapidus, director of the ACLU Women’s Rights Project, tells Yahoo Lifestyle. “For example, father-daughter dances exclude children raised by single moms, lesbian couples, a grandmother, or who otherwise don’t have male figures in their lives.”

 

Under Title IX, a federal law that prevents discrimination in an educational program based on a person’s sex, father-daughter dances are permitted, as long as there is also a dance for mothers and sons. “But it’s very difficult for schools to prove why they need to separate boys and girls in the first place,” says Lapidus. “You’ll also see schools that throw father-daughter dances and mother-son baseball games, which enforce stereotypes that girls like to dress up in frilly dresses and boys like sports.”

 

Adds Lapidus: “These father-daughter dances are a throwback to the 1950s nuclear family, and don’t at all address the realities of diverse families.”

 

Addendum: As I write this it looks as if backlash from Trump may be allowing the dance to be rescheduled for March.

What is your take? Kill these dances or let them exist? Remember if you have them, somebody may be offended.

Edited February 7, 2018 by greg775

[RockRaines]

All of the father daughter dances around us are in religious schools or churches themselves which are not subject to Title IX I believe. So its not an issue and nobody cares.

 

 

Also you should link the article.

[bmags]

Shocked trump is offended at restricting father-daughter moments.

[greg775]

Here's one link. ... Sorry. It's a hot button topic. All the talk shows are frying PC culture.

 

https://nypost.com/2018/02/03/pc-culture-ki...-dance-parents/

[Soxbadger]

I actually think it somewhat problematic. Not every kid has a father who is a part of their life, I dont really see the need for schools to exacerbate this issue. When I was a kid there werent mommy/son dances, I dont believe that there even were father/daughter dances either. So this "outrage" against PC culture, seems a few decades to late. If youre school wants to have one, whatever. If they dont want to have one, whatever.

 

Not sure this should register on the President of the United States radar, seems like there are 100 trillion more important things that he should be spending his time on.

 

And there is nothing stopping the fathers from renting out a local establishment and having their own dance.

 

http://www.silive.com/news/2018/02/post_1947.html

 

And that article explains what the school was actually doing. They were postponing it to make it more inclusive. If you strip out the sensational Hannity/Rush style headline, its not even that big of a deal. It was never cancelled.

 

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Greg,

 

Instead of listening to talk shows. Try and read for yourself.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Soxbadger

[bigruss]

Shocked trump is offended at restricting father-daughter moments.

I laughed at this.

[greg775]

I actually think it somewhat problematic. Not every kid has a father who is a part of their life, I dont really see the need for schools to exacerbate this issue. When I was a kid there werent mommy/son dances, I dont believe that there even were father/daughter dances either. So this "outrage" against PC culture, seems a few decades to late. If youre school wants to have one, whatever. If they dont want to have one, whatever.

 

Not sure this should register on the President of the United States radar, seems like there are 100 trillion more important things that he should be spending his time on.

 

And there is nothing stopping the fathers from renting out a local establishment and having their own dance.

 

http://www.silive.com/news/2018/02/post_1947.html

 

And that article explains what the school was actually doing. They were postponing it to make it more inclusive. If you strip out the sensational Hannity/Rush style headline, its not even that big of a deal. It was never cancelled.

 

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Greg,

 

Instead of listening to talk shows. Try and read for yourself.

Please don't turn this into a blast Greg issue. It's all over Twitter and the websites of news organizations. I'm not making this one up. People are outraged. And from what I read in other stories the dance was to be canceled before the outrage. Whatever the specifics this is a big deal. I'm not finding some obscure story. Do a twitter search on daddy-daughter dances.

[Bob Sacamano]

Kind of reminds me of that woman who wanted her DAUGHTER involved in BOY scouts.

[RockRaines]

Please don't turn this into a blast Greg issue. It's all over Twitter and the websites of news organizations. I'm not making this one up. People are outraged. And from what I read in other stories the dance was to be canceled before the outrage. Whatever the specifics this is a big deal. I'm not finding some obscure story. Do a twitter search on daddy-daughter dances.

I've never met or heard from anyone that is outraged, since these still go on with regularity around here. My kids school invites both parents since its not church affiliated, but next year it will be a mother son dance. And I will gladly stay home.

 

Rule #1 - never search twitter.

[greg775]

You said: "I actually think it somewhat problematic. Not every kid has a father who is a part of their life, I dont really see the need for schools to exacerbate this issue."

 

But this is one of the problems. There always are going to be exceptions. So the solution is never to have an event of any kind because it might exclude somebody. So we have no events and our kids just continue to sit on the couch and play video games cause there's no events to be had because of PC.

 

[RockRaines]

You said: "I actually think it somewhat problematic. Not every kid has a father who is a part of their life, I dont really see the need for schools to exacerbate this issue."

 

But this is one of the problems. There always are going to be exceptions. So the solution is never to have an event of any kind because it might exclude somebody. So we have no events and our kids just continue to sit on the couch and play video games cause there's no events to be had because of PC.

or you could just include everyone in the event....

[greg775]

or you could just include everyone in the event....

I'm sure there have been many creative solutions to the daddy-daughter dance concern of a child having no daddy in the past. My guess is an uncle comes through or a dear friend neighbor. Or a teacher or somebody important in the kid's life. I would suspect in the many daddy-daughter dances in the past there have been ways to make sure all the girls who want to go do indeed go and have a good time with their friends, getting off the couch and actually living life instead of playing video games all night, all day because of PC culture and fear of letting kids actually get out and be kids amongst themselves.

[Soxbadger]

Please don't turn this into a blast Greg issue. It's all over Twitter and the websites of news organizations. I'm not making this one up. People are outraged. And from what I read in other stories the dance was to be canceled before the outrage. Whatever the specifics this is a big deal. I'm not finding some obscure story. Do a twitter search on daddy-daughter dances.

 

The story I linked is from a Staten Island newspaper.

 

I dont care whats on twitter, news sites or anywhere else. I purposefully dont read nonsense sensational stories that are meant to create fauxrage. If your kid doesnt go to the school, what does it matter to you?

 

Im sure that there were parents fauxraged about the fact that at the "Holiday Concert" they sang other songs besides for "Christmas" ones. Im sure that there were other parents who were fauxraged that Christmas was the only Holiday that got 2 songs. Or maybe they were fauxraged that they didnt interview a kid and ask them about Hannukah like they did Christmas or Dewali.

 

But why isnt that on your talk shows? Why isnt Hannity and Rush outraged by the fact that Christmas was over represented in local kids holiday concert. Or what about the fauxrage over "Local apartment has Christmas tree in lobby but no other religion is represented."

 

Have you ever noticed what these people say always fits into their world view? That they never run or tell you a story that is ever contrary to their position?

 

Why would I care what a bunch of hacks say?

 

I said what I feel. You want to argue why father daughter dances are somehow important for a public school? You want to argue why tax dollars should go to it?

 

Feel free. But I stand by my argument, they seem unnecessary. And if my daughters school has one, Ill go if she wants. If they dont, Im not going to go to my safe place and cry snowflake tears about how PC culture has ruined everything.

[greg775]

I've never met or heard from anyone that is outraged, since these still go on with regularity around here. My kids school invites both parents since its not church affiliated, but next year it will be a mother son dance. And I will gladly stay home.

 

Rule #1 - never search twitter.

Supposedly Glenn Beck torched the topic today on his show. I don't listen to his show before u all freak out.

[southsider2k5]

lol, way to take the bait people.

[greg775]

And if my daughters school has one, Ill go if she wants.

I did enjoy reading your post. It was a good one. You are obviously a smart person and appear to be a very good person (I shouldn't have written that line because you will say you don't care what a message board person thinks of you any way, so my bad).

I did notice this sentence that I posted above. I would suggest she will want to go to the dance and you will go to the dance in this scenario. Why? Because these dances are fun for the little girls hanging out with their friends, etc. That's why these issues over fauxrage get brought up. We have all these fun events that now must be canceled because of gender issues, etc., and that leaves us with what? More of nothing cept having the kids get fat and happy playing on their computer and playing games on the computer.

Are we going to get rid of sports next? Remember not everybody is capable of being on the team. I'm sure that makes several kids sad and unhappy and perhaps to the point of severe mental depression. How can we have sports in this scenario?? When I was a kid if you didn't make the team you better find another team to get on, try another sport or another club activity.

If this PC stuff continues, we will have a whole bunch of nothing happening in this world for kids.

Edited February 7, 2018 by greg775

[Soxbadger]

You said: "I actually think it somewhat problematic. Not every kid has a father who is a part of their life, I dont really see the need for schools to exacerbate this issue."

 

But this is one of the problems. There always are going to be exceptions. So the solution is never to have an event of any kind because it might exclude somebody. So we have no events and our kids just continue to sit on the couch and play video games cause there's no events to be had because of PC.

 

 

I'm sure there have been many creative solutions to the daddy-daughter dance concern of a child having no daddy in the past. My guess is an uncle comes through or a dear friend neighbor. Or a teacher or somebody important in the kid's life. I would suspect in the many daddy-daughter dances in the past there have been ways to make sure all the girls who want to go do indeed go and have a good time with their friends, getting off the couch and actually living life instead of playing video games all night, all day because of PC culture and fear of letting kids actually get out and be kids amongst themselves.

 

 

Um how do you reach these conclusions? How does Father daughter dance, mean stay at home and play video games? And even more importantly, how are video games at all PC? Have you played an online video game? Because online is basically the least pc place in the world.

 

Again, why do we need father daughter dances? Why cant we have a "dance" where the student can pick 1 person to go with them. They want to bring their mom/dad/aunt/older brother, why do I care?

 

This isnt anything new. Back in the day my school used to have a day where you could bring a family member to school. They werent stupid enough to restrict it to "grandparent" or "father" because why exclude? If I want to bring my aunt, instead of my grandparents, why shouldnt I be able to? If my grandparents are dead, why should I have to sit out "Grandparents" day.

 

Supposedly Glenn Beck torched the topic today on his show. I don't listen to his show before u all freak out.

 

Why should we care what Glenn Beck says?

 

Asking for a friend.

[greg775]

lol, way to take the bait people.

Funny for a mod to say this. What is a political message board for? To discuss things. Greg's brain finds this topic appalling and interesting so he posts something. And it's bait? Thanks for indicating my contributions are worth nothing always.

[Soxbadger]

I did enjoy reading your post. It was a good one. You are obviously a smart person and appear to be a very good person (I shouldn't have written that line because you will say you don't care what a message board person thinks of you any way, so my bad).

I did notice this sentence that I posted above. I would suggest she will want to go to the dance and you will go to the dance in this scenario. Why? Because these dances are fun for the little girls hanging out with their friends, etc. That's why these issues over fauxrage get brought up. We have all these fun events that now must be canceled because of gender issues, etc., and that leaves us with what? More of nothing cept having the kids get fat and happy playing on their computer and playing games on the computer.

Are we going to get rid of sports next? Remember not everybody is capable of being on the team. I'm sure that makes several kids sad and unhappy and perhaps to the point of severe mental depression. How can we have sports in this scenario?? When I was a kid if you didn't make the team you better find another team to get on, try another sport or another club activity.

If this PC stuff continues, we will have a whole bunch of nothing happening in this world for kids.

 

Again, why cant the solution be a "dance" where the kid can bring 1 person?

 

Why does it have to be father and daughter?

 

As for sports, that is completely different. You are talking about merit. This dance isnt "top 10 dancers" get to go. If your a girl you can go, if your a boy you cant.

 

SS2k,

 

Yeah I know but its a slow day.

[greg775]

Again, why cant the solution be a "dance" where the kid can bring 1 person?

 

Why does it have to be father and daughter?

I've got to leave now, but like I said I'm sure these dances have exceptions where it doesn't have to be proven that your guest is your actual dad. I would assume there are brothers, uncles, beloved teachers, friends, neighbors who have filled the role of dad at these dances throughout history. I doubt there is daddy police there making sure it's proven the person brought is an actual dad. I doubt little girls are prevented from going if they want to bring an uncle or family friend in lieu of daddy.

p.s. Valentines Day organizers should be ashamed of themselves. Not everybody has a Valentine. It's very depressing to not be dating somebody on this holiday. Kill the holiday.

Edited February 7, 2018 by greg775

[Iwritecode]

These types of dances have been around for quite some time. I seem to remember more than a few tv shows and/or movies dealing with the problem of a student not having a mom or a dad to take to the dance. My 2 youngest are in HS now but they did have these when they were in grade school. I went to a few of them with my youngest.

 

They also did something called "doughnuts with dad" and "muffins with mom" where the students could have their parents join them for a little bit before the school day started. I don't remember hearing any kind of outrage about this ever.

 

[Iwritecode]

Remember not everybody is capable of being on the team. I'm sure that makes several kids sad and unhappy and perhaps to the point of severe mental depression. How can we have sports in this scenario?? When I was a kid if you didn't make the team you better find another team to get on, try another sport or another club activity.

 

Bulls***. Kids sports "back then" were pretty much the same as what they are now. Every kid that wanted to play, got to play. When I played softball, there was even a rule that said every single kid had to play at least 2 innings each game. This was 30 years ago.

 

It's only once you start getting into HS sports that you start getting competitive and not everyone makes the team or gets to play. But then you are starting to stretch the definition of "kids".

[StrangeSox]

my PC has been compromised by a rogue bot net and is completely out of control!!

[Soxbadger]

I remember when I was outraged about take your daughter to work day and having to go to school an extra day. Then where my dad worked created a take your kids to work day, but it was in the summer, so i didnt get a day off of school. Unfortunately Glenn Beck wasnt around to fauxrage out about this injustice.

 

Now its take your daughter and son to work day, so do you think Trump/Hannity/Beck and co are going to get all fauxraged about how sons shouldnt be allowed, and that taking your daughters was a time honored tradition that PC culture ruined?

Edited February 7, 2018 by Soxbadger

[LittleHurt05]

So this can't be a coincidence. I just saw flyer at my local park district for a mother son superhero dance this Friday.

 

Greg, call up Glenn Beck. He needs to film a live remote there to show the PC Police that they may take away our lives, but they'll never take our FREEDOM!