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[wrathofhahn]

New Mayo list is out.

 

Top 100

 

From 17 to 18:

 

Eloy Jumps from 5th to 4th

Kopech stays at 10

Roberts drops from 23 to 28

Rutherford drops from 40 to 99

Cease drops from 58 to 61

Hanson jumps from 91 to 54

Dunning jumps from unranked to 92

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018

 

Top 30 comes out Feb 21

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=cws

Edited February 15, 2018 by wrathofhahn

[wrathofhahn]

Also Tatis Jr jumps from 52nd to 8th

[ptatc]

Also Tatis Jr jumps from 52nd to 8th

Are you one of those guys who in school always worried about and wanted to know how everyone else did on tests?

[ChiSoxJon]

Definetely think Cease, Robert, Dunning, and Hansen will continue to ascend greatly

[wrathofhahn]

Are you one of those guys who in school always worried about and wanted to know how everyone else did on tests?

 

No need to ascribe reasons. I just posted the number because it was notable.

[Bob Sacamano]

No need to ascribe reasons. I just posted the number because it was notable.

 

That seems debatable. I think many of us want to turn the page on him and forget about the f*** up of a trade that is and not hang onto the past. No offense.

Edited February 15, 2018 by soxfan2014

[wrathofhahn]

That seems debatable. I think many of us want to turn the page on him and forget about the f*** up of a trade that is and not hang onto the past. No offense.

 

That's fair just to be clear I manually scanned both years lists for Sox prospects and whether they fell or rose in the ranking and it was something I noticed and felt worth mentioning.

 

No other reason and with all due respect as much as we'd like to pretend away the trade it happened. In any case I'd rather discuss the Sox prospects do you have an opinion on our current guys and where Mayo ranked them?

 

Personally I think Rutherford was hit too hard. He should maybe drop to the 80's like Maitan but he also showed some positives he had an extremely advanced approach at the plate and wasn't pulling the ball to either side of field. His BABIP was .257 after the trade so there is reason believe there was a certain amount of bad luck involved as well.

Edited February 16, 2018 by wrathofhahn

[greg775]

That seems debatable. I think many of us want to turn the page on him and forget about the f*** up of a trade that is and not hang onto the past. No offense.

Thing is, some of us don't forgive the Sox front office for mistakes as easily as others. My anger stems from the fact fans pay so much money to go to a game they have the right to b****. Many of you don't care about that. Why should they be forgiven if Tatis turns into a phenom? You can still be a fan and rip the front office at times.

[Dam8610]

Thing is, some of us don't forgive the Sox front office for mistakes as easily as others. My anger stems from the fact fans pay so much money to go to a game they have the right to b****. Many of you don't care about that. Why should they be forgiven if Tatis turns into a phenom? You can still be a fan and rip the front office at times.

 

At this point, it's beating a dead horse. We all get that that trade never should have been made, I'd really rather stop thinking about it and instead focus on what the team has to work with and how that can hopefully be the foundation of a championship caliber team. Bringing it up over and over does no good, it's just complaining to complain, because there's nothing that can be done about it now.

[ptatc]

Thing is, some of us don't forgive the Sox front office for mistakes as easily as others. My anger stems from the fact fans pay so much money to go to a game they have the right to b****. Many of you don't care about that. Why should they be forgiven if Tatis turns into a phenom? You can still be a fan and rip the front office at times.

You can rip them all you want. Many did when it happened. But to hang on to it for years is not a healthy thing. Are you still angry over the Sammy Sosa trade? how about the Gio Gonzalez trades?

[Real]

Everybody needs to cheer up and look at the 2018/2019 FA list. Holy moly. Spend that money, Jerry.

[Kalapse]

You can rip them all you want. Many did when it happened. But to hang on to it for years is not a healthy thing. Are you still angry over the Sammy Sosa trade? how about the Gio Gonzalez trades?

This s*** could go on for 15 more years, in what world is that fun and not just masochistic? I prefer fun out of my sports consumption, not constant indignation.

[ptatc]

It's also shocking considering how the Tatis trade has been beaten to death on this board. We get it, it was a TERRIBLE trade then, TERRIBLE trade now, and will be a TERRIBLE trade in 5 seasons. I assume Rick Hahn would tell you the same thing, and he absolutely deserves to wear it for that awful move.

 

What else do you want us to do? It's time to move on.

Exactly. Every GM has trades that they wished they could take back. They usually occur when trading a young prospect for an aging veteran when making a desperate move to compete.

[Kalapse]

It's also shocking considering how the Tatis trade has been beaten to death on this board. We get it, it was a TERRIBLE trade then, TERRIBLE trade now, and will be a TERRIBLE trade in 5 seasons. I assume Rick Hahn would tell you the same thing, and he absolutely deserves to wear it for that awful move.

 

What else do you want us to do? It's time to move on.

 

 

Exactly. Every GM has trades that they wished they could take back. They usually occur when trading a young prospect for an aging veteran when making a desperate move to compete.

It's just exhausting. Why do this to yourself? Like you said, the trade was bad and Rick Hahn sure as hell knows he f***ed up. Constantly bringing it up isn't holding the front office accountable or interesting, it's just torturous, It's in everyone's best interest to just move on, what do you really gain from obsessing over it?

[oldsox]

He made a simple one sentence comment about Tatis being ranked #8. It is notable.

[GreenSox]

Probably the worst trade I can remember is the Red Sox trading prospect Bagwell for Larry Anderson. Still, the Bagwell trade was made in August, Anderson was pitching well, he pitched better for Boston and they won the division. Bad trade, but some justification.

 

It was June, the White Sox were tanking, and Shields was having a terrible year. There was no justification for that trade.

The FO gets a do-over, one that I don't believe they earned. The dispersal phase has been fine. HOpefully they build a good team this time.

[Special K]

It's notable for the purpose of judging the FO on how the rebuild goes. If he turns out to be a star and the rebuild is mediocre, we can gauge that trade as symptomatic of meaning this FO doesn't know what they're doing and therefore they need to go. But I'm not angry about it anymore, we've certainly gotten the better end of some trades. And the rebuild looks to be coming along nicely. If we sign Machado to play 3b, I'll definitely stop caring about that trade.

[ptatc]

Probably the worst trade I can remember is the Red Sox trading prospect Bagwell for Larry Anderson. Still, the Bagwell trade was made in August, Anderson was pitching well, he pitched better for Boston and they won the division. Bad trade, but some justification.

 

It was June, the White Sox were tanking, and Shields was having a terrible year. There was no justification for that trade.

The FO gets a do-over, one that I don't believe they earned. The dispersal phase has been fine. HOpefully they build a good team this time.

How about Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz?

[wrathofhahn]

Probably the worst trade I can remember is the Red Sox trading prospect Bagwell for Larry Anderson. Still, the Bagwell trade was made in August, Anderson was pitching well, he pitched better for Boston and they won the division. Bad trade, but some justification.

 

It was June, the White Sox were tanking, and Shields was having a terrible year. There was no justification for that trade.

The FO gets a do-over, one that I don't believe they earned. The dispersal phase has been fine. HOpefully they build a good team this time.

 

Here is a portion the updated writeup:

Tatis Jr. has all the ingredients to become an offensive force in the Majors, as his bat speed, leveraged swing and overall capacity to make adjustments all portend a future plus hitter with plus power. He proved vulnerable to spin and sequencing early in the year but tightened his approach as the season progressed en route to pacing the Midwest League with 75 walks. Many evaluators believe Tatis Jr. is merely scraping the surface of his offensive potential, as he still has considerable room to grow into his tall and athletic frame.

 

That larger frame doesn't currently impede Tatis Jr.'s abilities at shortstop, where he makes highlight-reel plays on a daily basis thanks to his athleticism, range and rocket arm, though further physical development could ultimately force him to third base. Even if that's case, Tatis Jr.'s bat gives him the ceiling of a perennial All-Star, possibly even an MVP candidate in his prime."

 

I'm sort of over the trade but I hope Tatis is a teachable moment and they correct whatever caused them to mis-evaluate him so badly.

Edited February 16, 2018 by wrathofhahn

[Dam8610]

He made a simple one sentence comment about Tatis being ranked #8. It is notable.

 

No more notable than Otani being #1 or any number of things you could mention about the list. It is, however, particularly annoying to continue to be reminded of the poor trade.

[wrathofhahn]

How about Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz?

 

Thor and TDA for RA Dickey has got to rank up there

[hi8is]

Also Tatis Jr jumps from 52nd to 8th

I Just never want to see that name again. Mods should add it to the language filters so it comes up as ***** **.

[Two-Gun Pete]

Thor and TDA for RA Dickey has got to rank up there

I can't agree with this; at a minimum, Dickey was coming off a Cy Young winning campaign when he was traded, if memory serves.

 

By comparison, Shields was one of the worst pitchers before he was traded. In fact, he was probably hours away from being DFA'd, if the Padres' ownership had their druthers at the time. R A Dickey for Thor hurt, but at least Dickey had arguable value, whereas Shields was and is one of the suckiest sucks that ever sucked.

[Bob Sacamano]

Thing is, some of us don't forgive the Sox front office for mistakes as easily as others. My anger stems from the fact fans pay so much money to go to a game they have the right to b****. Many of you don't care about that. Why should they be forgiven if Tatis turns into a phenom? You can still be a fan and rip the front office at times.

 

This is very ironic coming from you. The one who hates prospects hates a move where they were "going for it."

Edited February 16, 2018 by soxfan2014

[southsider2k5]

Here is a portion the updated writeup:

Tatis Jr. has all the ingredients to become an offensive force in the Majors, as his bat speed, leveraged swing and overall capacity to make adjustments all portend a future plus hitter with plus power. He proved vulnerable to spin and sequencing early in the year but tightened his approach as the season progressed en route to pacing the Midwest League with 75 walks. Many evaluators believe Tatis Jr. is merely scraping the surface of his offensive potential, as he still has considerable room to grow into his tall and athletic frame.

 

That larger frame doesn't currently impede Tatis Jr.'s abilities at shortstop, where he makes highlight-reel plays on a daily basis thanks to his athleticism, range and rocket arm, though further physical development could ultimately force him to third base. Even if that's case, Tatis Jr.'s bat gives him the ceiling of a perennial All-Star, possibly even an MVP candidate in his prime."

 

I'm sort of over the trade but I hope Tatis is a teachable moment and they correct whatever caused them to mis-evaluate him so badly.

 

So they only get dinged for trading him. Apparently they don't get any credit at all for scouting him and signing him. This is exactly why people get so angry about the trading getting brought up ad naseum.