Jack Parkman Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) I hope that Lester gets lit up like a pinball machine tonight. I luuuv Cubs pitchers getting lit up, Except for Q, because he got a raw deal pitching here. Edited August 16, 2018 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Jon Daniels is the Cubs MVP of the 2nd half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southsider2k5 Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 I didn't understand Darvish over Arrieta when it happened, and I still don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 4 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I didn't understand Darvish over Arrieta when it happened, and I still don't. I completely understood it. Darvish is 3 years younger and didn't have any deterioration in his stuff at the time of the signing. I would have made that decision 7 days of the week and twice on Sunday. Darvish got injured, and he's a headcase. That is something that didn't show in Texas. He did fine for the Rangers in the playoffs. There was zero reason they could have believed that last season with the Dodgers was anything other than a fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I completely understood it. Darvish is 3 years younger and didn't have any deterioration in his stuff at the time of the signing. I would have made that decision 7 days of the week and twice on Sunday. Darvish got injured, and he's a headcase. That is something that didn't show in Texas. He did fine for the Rangers in the playoffs. There was zero reason they could have believed that last season with the Dodgers was anything other than a fluke. Didn't he get destroyed in the postseason vs Toronto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 He's already had plenty of injury problems before this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 It's a little bit like the Shields situation, getting blasted the previous start and overlooking it due to the prior body of work. The rumor was that Darvish was tipping his pitches (with the Dodgers, particularly in the WS), and that there was not any noticeable deterioration in his actual stuff. In hindsight, it's easy to say they would have been better off keeping Arrieta, but that would have been the thinking of approximately NOBODY in February of this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 11 hours ago, caulfield12 said: It's a little bit like the Shields situation, getting blasted the previous start and overlooking it due to the prior body of work. The rumor was that Darvish was tipping his pitches (with the Dodgers, particularly in the WS), and that there was not any noticeable deterioration in his actual stuff. In hindsight, it's easy to say they would have been better off keeping Arrieta, but that would have been the thinking of approximately NOBODY in February of this year. This is completely false. There was nothing but local talk about how this was extremely risky and that you know Arrietta is a proven postseason winner which is the complete opposite of Darvish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 7 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: This is completely false. There was nothing but local talk about how this was extremely risky and that you know Arrietta is a proven postseason winner which is the complete opposite of Darvish And who wanted to give Arrieta $75 million and 3 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: And who wanted to give Arrieta $75 million and 3 years? I’m not arguing that the Cubs made the right decision, I’m telling you that there was a lot of talk around Chicago that trusting Darvish over Jake was questionable at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Some twitter speculation the Cubs claimed Daniel Murphy. For the most part,'their fans on twitter are not happy at the possibility given his comments in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, SoxAce said: David Kaplan was saying that if Darvish needs TJ and would miss all of 2019, that he will probably just retire. Can you imagine the Cubs getting away with that? He ends up retiring, they save $100M, and then go out and easily secure Harper and possibly more. That would be so fucking sickening to see go their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 6 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: David Kaplan was saying that if Darvish needs TJ and would miss all of 2019, that he will probably just retire. Can you imagine the Cubs getting away with that? He ends up retiring, they save $100M, and then go out and easily secure Harper and possibly more. That would be so fucking sickening to see go their way. Does Kaplan actually know that or does he just have his Cubs tinted glasses on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 7 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: David Kaplan was saying that if Darvish needs TJ and would miss all of 2019, that he will probably just retire. Can you imagine the Cubs getting away with that? He ends up retiring, they save $100M, and then go out and easily secure Harper and possibly more. That would be so fucking sickening to see go their way. I assume that Darvish is in a good spot financially, especially with his stardom in Japan, but why exactly would he just retire and give up $100 million in guaranteed money? When exactly has that happened before? Oh, Kaplan said it. Never mind then, I thought it was a legit source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, fathom said: Some twitter speculation the Cubs claimed Daniel Murphy. For the most part,'their fans on twitter are not happy at the possibility given his comments in the past. The Cubs would be last on the NL side right? I'm sure other teams before them claimed him as well since every team can place a claim in on a player.. Edited August 21, 2018 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 hours ago, soxfan2014 said: Does Kaplan actually know that or does he just have his Cubs tinted glasses on? His reasoning was that Darvish has talked about retiring even prior to signing his last contract, and with how hated he feels he might not feel he has earned the money and walk away from it all. Darvish seems to be a weird guy, so it wouldn't shock me. But I have no idea if that's just random speculation by Kaplan or actual things he is hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: His reasoning was that Darvish has talked about retiring even prior to signing his last contract, and with how hated he feels he might not feel he has earned the money and walk away from it all. Darvish seems to be a weird guy, so it wouldn't shock me. But I have no idea if that's just random speculation by Kaplan or actual things he is hearing. This doesn't shock me since he is Japanese. This seems like something straight from their culture. But it's hard for me to believe anyone would walk away from that amount of money until it actually happens. Edited August 21, 2018 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: This doesn't shock me since he is Japanese. This seems like something straight from their culture. But it's hard for me to believe anyone would walk away from that amount of money until it actually happens. Yes, $101 million owed after this year. He isn't walking away. If he did, I wouldn't know whether to respect him or call him an idiot. Why can't he rehab and try to earn his money owed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: Yes, $101 million owed after this year. He isn't walking away. If he did, I wouldn't know whether to respect him or call him an idiot. Why can't he rehab and try to earn his money owed? Definitely would call him an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Definitely would call him an idiot. Besides, he just bought a palatial estate on the Evanston lakefront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 46 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Yes, $101 million owed after this year. He isn't walking away. If he did, I wouldn't know whether to respect him or call him an idiot. Why can't he rehab and try to earn his money owed? If it's partially injury related, would the union ever let the Cubs, their insurer, and Darvish come to an agreement where Darvish gets a slice of it then retires and everyone saves some money including the insurer who would be on the hook if he missed a full year+ for TJS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: If it's partially injury related, would the union ever let the Cubs, their insurer, and Darvish come to an agreement where Darvish gets a slice of it then retires and everyone saves some money including the insurer who would be on the hook if he missed a full year+ for TJS? I would think he would get a lot of pressure from the union if he even considered it. I could see he might be doing an honorable thing if he walked away after injuring himself doing something other than playing the game. I would also wonder if money were not important, why he signed the contract he signed. I just think it's Kaplan thinking up his dream scenario. And I actually like Kaplan, even though he's a Cubs fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Dick Allen said: Besides, he just bought a palatial estate on the Evanston lakefront. And with the time and effort he spent fighting over his privacy fence, he's not gonna give up and move back to Japan that easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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