fathom Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: They tell me he has taken an insane amount of 3rd strikes And despite the Sox telling him to be more aggressive, it's still happening far too often. Would love to see him just poke those close 2 strikes pitches to the left side and let his speed work for him. Since he's been on the Sox, I can only recall a few infield hits he's had where his good speed got him a single. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, fathom said: And despite the Sox telling him to be more aggressive, it's still happening far too often. Would love to see him just poke those close 2 strikes pitches to the left side and let his speed work for him. Since he's been on the Sox, I can only recall a few infield hits he's had where his good speed got him a single. About half of those he wasn't going to do anything with the pitch anyway. The whole ump/called 3rd way out of the zone thing has become beyond ludicrous and frustrating. I can only imagine how Moncada feels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: He needs to play and he needs to swing the bat enough to keep umps and pitchers honest. No doubt. For whatever reason the umps really screw him over on pitches inside off the plate. He's going to need to swing earlier in the count at pitches over the plate or back off the plate a bit to get more wood on those inside pitches. The eye is there. As far as I can tell the pitches he struggles with most are breaking balls down in the zone and below it. Which alot of players have problems with in two strike counts. I hate to bring this name up but remember how Sosa was a sucker for sliders off the plate with two strikes? Was literally an automatic out. Sosa countered that by try to swing earlier in the counts when pitchers were throwing more over the plate to try and get ahead. Didn't always work but it helped him quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 34 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said: No doubt. For whatever reason the umps really screw him over on pitches inside off the plate. He's going to need to swing earlier in the count at pitches over the plate or back off the plate a bit to get more wood on those inside pitches. The eye is there. As far as I can tell the pitches he struggles with most are breaking balls down in the zone and below it. Which alot of players have problems with in two strike counts. I hate to bring this name up but remember how Sosa was a sucker for sliders off the plate with two strikes? Was literally an automatic out. Sosa countered that by try to swing earlier in the counts when pitchers were throwing more over the plate to try and get ahead. Didn't always work but it helped him quite a bit. Yep why wait to get to a pitch you're not going to hit anyways. It's a problem I feel a lot of the Sox hitters have this year and another reason I question the coaching staff's ability to develop a game plan with the personnel. If a guy has a top-notch breaking pitch like McCullers, you can't just allow fastball after fastball down the plate to be called a strike and then chase sliders a foot off the plate. It gets frustrating watching Yoan take first pitch fastball down the plate for a strike, foul off a fastball on the outer half for strike two and you know there's a ridiculously likely chance of him chasing an offspeed pitch with two strikes or guessing an offspeed pitch is coming and take a called 3rd. Good news is this is absolutely type of thing he will improve upon as he develops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 9 hours ago, fathom said: Yep why wait to get to a pitch you're not going to hit anyways. It's a problem I feel a lot of the Sox hitters have this year and another reason I question the coaching staff's ability to develop a game plan with the personnel. If a guy has a top-notch breaking pitch like McCullers, you can't just allow fastball after fastball down the plate to be called a strike and then chase sliders a foot off the plate. It gets frustrating watching Yoan take first pitch fastball down the plate for a strike, foul off a fastball on the outer half for strike two and you know there's a ridiculously likely chance of him chasing an offspeed pitch with two strikes or guessing an offspeed pitch is coming and take a called 3rd. Good news is this is absolutely type of thing he will improve upon as he develops. Oh man, your second paragraph described it perfectly. Can't remember how many times I've seen a Moncada atbat go exactly like that. I do agree though, he will learn. Just have to trust in the tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 12 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: Yes, that is dreamland if Moncada reaches his ceiling. It really isn't that hard to imagine. He has the potential to be on the "best of the best ever" (i.e. Mike Trout) level. I'm not saying he gets there, but yeah, he has the potential to have the argument in the future: Which season was better? Moncada's 2022 or Thomas' 1994? Yeah I remember when Gordan Beckham had the potential to be the next Jeff Kent and Joe Borchard had the potential to be the next Dave Kingman.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, [email protected] said: Yeah I remember when Gordan Beckham had the potential to be the next Jeff Kent and Joe Borchard had the potential to be the next Dave Kingman.... GMAFB. Kwitcher b****in. Very few, if any of us are happy or even okay with the fact that KW and Hahn got the opportunity to right the ship. We're not on the board, so we can't make the decisions. Why waste time complaining about things that are history and that we can't control? All we can do as fans is hope that the powers that be make the correct decisions from here forward. Edited July 13, 2018 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TaylorStSox Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) I'm not really sure how you can complain about Beckham and LTP being hyped up. Beckham had a lot of success at the MLB level and then fell off a cliff. It wasn't just Sox fans projecting him to be great either. LTP had some of the loudest tools you'll ever see. To this day, I've never seen anybody hit a ball harder than a couple off his bat. He was a great athlete that never figured out a good approach. Obviously none of this has anything to do with Yoan though. *edit* If you really wanna get pissed, the big Borchard comparison sure as hell wasn't Dave Kingman. It was Mickey Mantle. Edited July 13, 2018 by TaylorStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 44 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: I'm not really sure how you can complain about Beckham and LTP being hyped up. Beckham had a lot of success at the MLB level and then fell off a cliff. It wasn't just Sox fans projecting him to be great either. LTP had some of the loudest tools you'll ever see. To this day, I've never seen anybody hit a ball harder than a couple off his bat. He was a great athlete that never figured out a good approach. Obviously none of this has anything to do with Yoan though. *edit* If you really wanna get pissed, the big Borchard comparison sure as hell wasn't Dave Kingman. It was Mickey Mantle. I'm just commenting on the absurd and delusional hyperbole going on in this thread. Yoan Moncada is nowhere near the level of Mike Trout. Trout is gonna go down as one of the best players ever. Moncada isn't even close to being the best young second basemen in the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 51 minutes ago, [email protected] said: delusional hyperbole ---- Moncada isn't even close to being the best young second basemen in the game. ??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: ??? Gleybar Torres and Ozzie Albies say hello. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, [email protected] said: Gleybar Torres and Ozzie Albies say hello. Hi Gleybar and Ozzie! ?♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Gleyber...btw Yoan Moncada=anti-Javier Baez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Mighty Mite Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 On July 13, 2018 at 7:53 PM, TaylorStSox said: I'm not really sure how you can complain about Beckham and LTP being hyped up. Beckham had a lot of success at the MLB level and then fell off a cliff. It wasn't just Sox fans projecting him to be great either. LTP had some of the loudest tools you'll ever see. To this day, I've never seen anybody hit a ball harder than a couple off his bat. He was a great athlete that never figured out a good approach. Obviously none of this has anything to do with Yoan though. *edit* If you really wanna get pissed, the big Borchard comparison sure as hell wasn't Dave Kingman. It was Mickey Mantle. I give up, who was LTP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: I give up, who was LTP? Light Tower Power, aka Joe Borchard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: I give up, who was LTP? Borchard. It stood for Light Tower Power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Light Tower Power, aka Joe Borchard Thanks, he did have LTP, IIRC he hit one that landed on the concourse out in deep right center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: Thanks, he did have LTP, IIRC he hit one that landed on the concourse out in deep right center. Still holds the distance record for the new ballpark at 503 feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Moncada is fixed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Hop aboard the train fellas, it's gonna be a hell of a ride. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Not bad: the power is there in the youngster, hopefully the rest continues to improve. You have to think it will given his youth and obvious ability. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 3 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: Not bad: the power is there in the youngster, hopefully the rest continues to improve. You have to think it will given his youth and obvious ability. Good to see his RC+ is over 100. Moncada is trending up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 18 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Still holds the distance record for the new ballpark at 503 feet. IIRC it was really hard to find any video of this online a couple of years ago, but it looks like MLB put it up: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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