Jose Abreu Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: IIRC it was really hard to find any video of this online a couple of years ago, but it looks like MLB put it up: Sometimes I forget how massive our center field video board is. Then I see a video with the old one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 19 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Total bust. Rebuild is doomed. DFA and move on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 If Moncada finishes the year at .250/.320/.430/.750 and with 35 2B, 9 3B and 23 HR I don't know how anyone could call that disappointing for a first full season. If his trend is mostly real, he's basically on pace for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 5 hours ago, StrangeSox said: IIRC it was really hard to find any video of this online a couple of years ago, but it looks like MLB put it up: The double or triple he hit at Skydome in his debut was unbelievable. I felt bad for that ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: If Moncada finishes the year at .250/.320/.430/.750 and with 35 2B, 9 3B and 23 HR I don't know how anyone could call that disappointing for a first full season. If his trend is mostly real, he's basically on pace for that. I think he's more likely to finish .260/.335/.790, with 35 2B 12 3B and 25 HR. If his legs get healthy he could get 20-25 SB as well, but I wouldn't run him that much in a lost season. We saw with Robert the perils of stealing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 2.6 fWAR in his first 130 odd games in MLB. That's not awful. Most of those were before he turned 23. It helps to be a power hitting 2B. Not a lot of those out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: I think he's more likely to finish .260/.335/.790, with 35 2B 12 3B and 25 HR. If his legs get healthy he could get 20-25 SB as well, but I wouldn't run him that much in a lost season. We saw with Robert the perils of stealing. 13 homers in 65ish games is asking a lot... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: 13 homers in 65ish games is asking a lot... It is but not out of the question. I think if he gets hot he can do it. Edited July 17, 2018 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Moncada in July: Yoan Moncada in July (57 PA): .327/.421/.592 with 2 HR and a SB. Has a 14 BB% and 26 K%. If I was dreaming and said what would be his ideal and yet realistic line in his prime -- that would be it. Obviously it's not the steroid era anymore and 280/370/520 is about all you can ask out of a middle infielder but man what a July this kid had! SSS but you can dream on it. Overall to be sitting at a 103 wRC and 1.5 fWAR in 70 odd games is hardly awful. I'd say it's downright solid given his youth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 7 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: Moncada in July: If I was dreaming and said what would be his ideal and yet realistic line in his prime -- that would be it. Obviously it's not the steroid era anymore and 280/370/520 is about all you can ask out of a middle infielder but man what a July this kid had! SSS but you can dream on it. Overall to be sitting at a 103 wRC and 1.5 fWAR in 70 odd games is hardly awful. I'd say it's downright solid given his youth. I don't think he'll be a .300 hitter because of the power and strikeout rate. I think .275 but with good power, speed, and solid fielding could make him a seven year all star caliber player. I want to see high average and power from Eloy and Robert though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 22 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: If Moncada finishes the year at .250/.320/.430/.750 and with 35 2B, 9 3B and 23 HR I don't know how anyone could call that disappointing for a first full season. If his trend is mostly real, he's basically on pace for that. Getting that OBP into that .320 range (or higher) is a key for him. He should continue to get plenty of power - both doubles and HR, but he needs those walks to offset the strikeouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, BFirebird said: Getting that OBP into that .320 range (or higher) is a key for him. He should continue to get plenty of power - both doubles and HR, but he needs those walks to offset the strikeouts. .340 range or higher; and .360+ if he's going to be an all star level player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 9 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: Moncada in July: If I was dreaming and said what would be his ideal and yet realistic line in his prime -- that would be it. Obviously it's not the steroid era anymore and 280/370/520 is about all you can ask out of a middle infielder but man what a July this kid had! SSS but you can dream on it. Overall to be sitting at a 103 wRC and 1.5 fWAR in 70 odd games is hardly awful. I'd say it's downright solid given his youth. It's not the first time he's put together a hot streak like this, either, though it IS the first time we've seen a low enough K rate for it to be even remotely sustainable. He's a monster with a 26% K rate and a .265 ISO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 9 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: Moncada in July: If I was dreaming and said what would be his ideal and yet realistic line in his prime -- that would be it. Obviously it's not the steroid era anymore and 280/370/520 is about all you can ask out of a middle infielder but man what a July this kid had! SSS but you can dream on it. Overall to be sitting at a 103 wRC and 1.5 fWAR in 70 odd games is hardly awful. I'd say it's downright solid given his youth. We're unquestionably still in the steroid era. I don't think that ever changes. You think a guy the size of Altuve would be hitting balls 450 feet 40 years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: We're unquestionably still in the steroid era. I don't think that ever changes. You think a guy the size of Altuve would be hitting balls 450 feet 40 years ago? The ball is juiced, for sure, but it's a lot harder for the player to be juiced now. Also, core and leg strength are huge drivers of power, as is launch angle. Jose Altuve's size is not prohibitive of developing power, other than the fact that short players have historically gotten tracked to a contact/speed game and rarely have had organizations work on developing their power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Dam8610 said: The ball is juiced, for sure, but it's a lot harder for the player to be juiced now. Also, core and leg strength are huge drivers of power, as is launch angle. Jose Altuve's size is not prohibitive of developing power, other than the fact that short players have historically gotten tracked to a contact/speed game and rarely have had organizations work on developing their power. People are still getting popped and the juicers will always be ahead of the testers. Players aren't brazenly taking Androl and Tren anymore, but they're still doing whatever they can. It's not just baseball though. PEDS are absolutely prevalent in every sport. The bar has been set and there's no turning back. I'd put my life savings on Altuve being juiced to the gills. There's not a doubt in my mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 9 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: Moncada in July: If I was dreaming and said what would be his ideal and yet realistic line in his prime -- that would be it. Obviously it's not the steroid era anymore and 280/370/520 is about all you can ask out of a middle infielder but man what a July this kid had! SSS but you can dream on it. Overall to be sitting at a 103 wRC and 1.5 fWAR in 70 odd games is hardly awful. I'd say it's downright solid given his youth. Yes. I would be thrilled if we got 1.000 OPS seasons out of Yoan Moncada. Especially with his game changing speed and defensive potential. Tthat could be an MVP type of season in the right year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, BFirebird said: Getting that OBP into that .320 range (or higher) is a key for him. He should continue to get plenty of power - both doubles and HR, but he needs those walks to offset the strikeouts. His OBP will jump as he gets a little more selectively aggressive. Once he builds in umpire respect, that number will go crazy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 This guy goes from future MVP to bust back to future MVP back to bust back to future MVP more than anyone. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: This guy goes from future MVP to bust back to future MVP back to bust back to future MVP more than anyone. Of course he's going to be highly scrutinized, he's the main player the White Sox got for a pitcher who, after tonight, has started three consecutive All-Star games and has been a perennially contender for the Cy Young award for the better part of a decade. That said, I think it's likely that the people who are posting most frequently is the main thing that's changing when he struggles or is hot is who is posting. There seems to be a skeptical group and an optimistic group, and the one that posts more will vary based on his recent results. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: Of course he's going to be highly scrutinized, he's the main player the White Sox got for a pitcher who, after tonight, has started three consecutive All-Star games and has been a perennially contender for the Cy Young award for the better part of a decade. That said, I think it's likely that the people who are posting most frequently is the main thing that's changing when he struggles or is hot is who is posting. There seems to be a skeptical group and an optimistic group, and the one that posts more will vary based on his recent results. Also very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: Of course he's going to be highly scrutinized, he's the main player the White Sox got for a pitcher who, after tonight, has started three consecutive All-Star games and has been a perennially contender for the Cy Young award for the better part of a decade. That said, I think it's likely that the people who are posting most frequently is the main thing that's changing when he struggles or is hot is who is posting. There seems to be a skeptical group and an optimistic group, and the one that posts more will vary based on his recent results. It’s fun being a Dreamnik with Yoan. It’s just such an easy path to 5-6 WAR for him. Edited July 17, 2018 by Jerksticks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jerksticks said: It’s fun being a Dreamnik with Yoan. It’s just such an easy path to 5-6 WAR for him. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just to add on, I don't think Chicago has EVER had a young player like Yoan, at least not in my lifetime. The closest I can think of is maybe young Sammy Sosa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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