Jack Parkman Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: You don’t think he’d cost Rutherford so you’d offer them a better prospect instead? I don't think Adolfo is a better prospect because he's injury prone, has lost a ton of development time, and is running low on options. In a vacuum, he is but when you take everything into account, he isn't I wouldn't even go that far to be honest. I give Rutherford a better chance of making the Sox than Adolfo at this point, Rutherford has like a 5% chance and Adolfo is non-zero IMO. I wouldn't count on Adolfo for anything. The most I'd realistically offer is some guy in A+ that is interesting. Edited June 6, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: I still believe in Madrigal. RF is the absolute huge hole right now. 2B isn't a long term hole, but a short term hole. I don't trust Collins at C. I have RF circled as the bugaboo. I'm old enough to remember when people thought Machado was a much better fit for this team than Harper. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Just now, Perfect Vision said: I'm old enough to remember when people thought Machado was a much better fit for this team than Harper. That was before we knew that the OF in AA would all take a shit and Moncada was an above average 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I don't think Adolfo is a better prospect because he's injury prone, has lost a ton of development time, and is running low on options. In a vacuum, he is but when you take everything into account, he isn't I wouldn't even go that far to be honest. The most I'd realistically offer is some guy in A+ that is interesting. They got some random A+ guy for Jay Bruce so using that as a guide I think they'd want a bit more for Domingo. I don't rate Rutherford at all so I'd rather trade him than Adolfo. Still think Adolfo has a 270/330/500 ceiling and is the better prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said: They got some random A+ guy for Jay Bruce so using that as a guide I think they'd want a bit more for Domingo. I don't rate Rutherford at all so I'd rather trade him than Adolfo. Still think Adolfo has a 270/330/500 ceiling and is the better prospect. The same market that puts Bruce at a random A+ guy is what puts Santana at a not very good prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, bmags said: The same market that puts Bruce at a random A+ guy is what puts Santana at a not very good prospect. aka blake rutherford! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: They got some random A+ guy for Jay Bruce so using that as a guide I think they'd want a bit more for Domingo. I don't rate Rutherford at all so I'd rather trade him than Adolfo. Still think Adolfo has a 270/330/500 ceiling and is the better prospect. I don't think much of either guy, but I think more of Rutherford than Adolfo for the White Sox. Adolfo is absolutely a better prospect but I don't think that he progresses enough by the time the Sox run out of options due to missed time. He's gonna be a guy who gets waived and has a 5-6 year MLB career starting at 26-27 and ending around 33 Edited June 6, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 21 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: I'm old enough to remember when people thought Machado was a much better fit for this team than Harper. 20 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: That was before we knew that the OF in AA would all take a shit and Moncada was an above average 3B. I wanted Harper more for off-field reasons but still think Machado would have been the better fit. You'd have him instead of Yolmer Sanchez, not Moncada. Plus I'm still confident in a long-term OF of Jimenez/Robert/one of Gonzalez/Basabe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: I wanted Harper more for off-field reasons but still think Machado would have been the better fit. You'd have him instead of Yolmer Sanchez, not Moncada. Plus I'm still confident in a long-term OF of Jimenez/Robert/one of Gonzalez/Basabe. I was with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I don't think much of either guy, but I think more of Rutherford than Adolfo for the White Sox. Adolfo is absolutely a better prospect but I don't think that he progresses enough by the time the Sox run out of options due to missed time. He's gonna be a guy who gets waived and has a 5-6 year MLB career starting at 26-27 and ending around 33 Is this counting the extra year of control for Adolfo due to injuries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Just now, ron883 said: Is this counting the extra year of control for Adolfo due to injuries? Yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: last 28 days - 32% k rate, but .855 OPS. He's still at less than 29% for the year, but it's been climbing since April. Weirdly, with his seasonal stats, I wonder if Alex Rios may end up being a good comp for Moncada... Rios?? You gotta be kidding me. Moncada is a star in the making; Rios?? Cmon. I already like Moncada; I despised Rios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 7 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: last 28 days - 32% k rate, but .855 OPS. He's still at less than 29% for the year, but it's been climbing since April. Weirdly, with his seasonal stats, I wonder if Alex Rios may end up being a good comp for Moncada... I don't think anyone is going to confuse Moncada with Rios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: The only "pie in the sky" is assuming Eloy figures it out and Robert is a stud which I believe are safe assumptions. Madrigal is more iffy. Not worried about Madrigal. Need Right Fielder and two decent starters. Good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, poppysox said: Not worried about Madrigal. Need Right Fielder and two decent starters. Good to go. For the most part, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 6 hours ago, greg775 said: Rios?? You gotta be kidding me. Moncada is a star in the making; Rios?? Cmon. I already like Moncada; I despised Rios. I just looked up Rios stats with the Sox. He had two very solid years with them. 3.3 and 4 WAR seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ron883 said: I just looked up Rios stats with the Sox. He had two very solid years with them. 3.3 and 4 WAR seasons. I appreciate what you are saying. However, even without being armed with advanced stats I think it's safe to say if Moncada has a Rios-like career it would be considered a huge disappointment. I guess my dislike of Rios could be criticized as being unfair, especially considering I worship Avi and some point out his value is much less than I think it is. I probably should not hate certain players and like others and should be more efficient in studying the advanced stats and making an opinion off them combined with player age. I probably overemphasize the eye test or at least my eye test. As it currently stands, Moncada rates high on my personal scale of ballplayer; Rios ranks very very low. Edited June 7, 2019 by greg775 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Rios was a 27 WAR player over about 10 seasons of games. For reference, Greg, Konerko was a cumulative 27 WAR player over about 15 seasons of games. At Rios’ peak he consistently played in the “good to all star” range. i understand people not liking the comp because it’s likely Yoan will have more power (and strike out a ton more), but in terms of their slash line I could see them being similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 hours ago, greg775 said: I appreciate what you are saying. However, even without being armed with advanced stats I think it's safe to say if Moncada has a Rios-like career it would be considered a huge disappointment. I guess my dislike of Rios could be criticized as being unfair, especially considering I worship Avi and some point out his value is much less than I think it is. I probably should not hate certain players and like others and should be more efficient in studying the advanced stats and making an opinion off them combined with player age. I probably overemphasize the eye test or at least my eye test. As it currently stands, Moncada rates high on my personal scale of ballplayer; Rios ranks very very low. The heart loves who the heart loves and hates who the heart hates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 12 hours ago, greg775 said: I appreciate what you are saying. However, even without being armed with advanced stats I think it's safe to say if Moncada has a Rios-like career it would be considered a huge disappointment. I guess my dislike of Rios could be criticized as being unfair, especially considering I worship Avi and some point out his value is much less than I think it is. I probably should not hate certain players and like others and should be more efficient in studying the advanced stats and making an opinion off them combined with player age. I probably overemphasize the eye test or at least my eye test. As it currently stands, Moncada rates high on my personal scale of ballplayer; Rios ranks very very low. Just wondering, why did you hate him so much? He balled out for a couple seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Watching Moncada's last home run, the kid has a sweet left handed swing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 23 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: I don't even think he'd cost Rutherford. The most I'd offer is Adolfo, but they probably get him for less than that. He's a good stopgap until Rutherford/Gonzalez/Basabe play out. I'd rather trade Rutherford than Adolfo. Adolfo could for sure end up really biting the Sox if they sell low. Rutherford could be a major league, but he has no chance to be a star. If Adolfo figures out how to be healthy, he could really blossom. Hard no on trading Micker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 23 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: I don't think much of either guy, but I think more of Rutherford than Adolfo for the White Sox. Adolfo is absolutely a better prospect but I don't think that he progresses enough by the time the Sox run out of options due to missed time. He's gonna be a guy who gets waived and has a 5-6 year MLB career starting at 26-27 and ending around 33 Adolfo doesn't need to be in the bigs until OD 2022. The Sox got another option year due to all the injuries. He still has 2 more full season in the minors to stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 13 hours ago, ron883 said: I just looked up Rios stats with the Sox. He had two very solid years with them. 3.3 and 4 WAR seasons. Rios was solid, but Moncada is also on pace to crush both of those marks this year. He’s on pace for ~5.3 fWAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 43 minutes ago, ron883 said: Just wondering, why did you hate him so much? He balled out for a couple seasons. I really can't remember why I despised him so much. Maybe it has something to do with him sucking in 2009 when we acquired him and we flopped and he flopped. Not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.