wegner Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, mqr said: Good luck with that I'll take another Eloy and Cease if they have them. Yolmer would be a nice piece of the puzzle for them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, OneDog847 said: Seriously? The North Siders have made the playoffs 4 consecutive years and have won a World Series. I won't be complaining if the Sox rebuild equals that. Also, it is only July 3. Still a lot of baseball left to be played and Theo may empty the farm for some impact talent in a few weeks. I think he means have a sustained 7 year run of dominance. The Cubs had a great three years of playoff success thus far. Last year, I don't count them as a playoff team as they didn't play a series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: No, I would be happy with that too, but.....I think with the amount of hype the rebuilds on both sides of town have had, anything less than 2 WS titles is a disappointment. Baseball is an unpredictable game. The Dodgers have had payrolls well north of 200 million dollars for the last 5 years and what do they have to show for it? The Sox have still never made the playoffs in consectutive years. You gotta crawl before you do wind sprints.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, mqr said: Good luck with that Nico Hoerner and Miguel Amaya are both top 100 prospects and could be flipped for something extremely valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: I have a hard time calling anybody a 6+ true talent player. For Moncada what would that look like? Probably about what it does now except with another 20 points of OBP and slugging so something like a 300/370/550 line and then a win of value at 3rd defensively and maybe another half on the bases. So about 6 with the bat and then 1.5 with defense and baserunning. He can do it but I don't think that's his true talent level, at least not right now. Maybe when he's 26-29. Hes literally on pace for 6 WAR right now so this is what it looks like. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 56 minutes ago, wegner said: I'll take another Eloy and Cease if they have them. Yolmer would be a nice piece of the puzzle for them ? Very generous of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, OneDog847 said: Baseball is an unpredictable game. The Dodgers have had payrolls well north of 200 million dollars for the last 5 years and what do they have to show for it? The Sox have still never made the playoffs in consectutive years. You gotta crawl before you do wind sprints.. A .583 winning percentage, 5 straight division titles and 2 pennants 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 28 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Hes literally on pace for 6 WAR right now so this is what it looks like. The op by Jack was 6-8. There are about a dozen position players at that level and moncada is not one of them -- yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, chitownsportsfan said: The op by Jack was 6-8. There are about a dozen position players at that level and moncada is not one of them -- yet. Yet is the key word. He's just been getting better all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said: The op by Jack was 6-8. There are about a dozen position players at that level and moncada is not one of them -- yet. You said he had to make all these improvements but even if he made zero improvements after this year (assuming he duplicates his first half production) this is a 6 WAR player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Yet is the key word. He's just been getting better all season. Well said. Don't think we have seen a player improve so much in season lately. His approach at the dish has improved immensely as has his play at 3rd. @Look at Ray Ray Run I don't disagree. I ain't arguing. Edited July 3, 2019 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Well said. Don't think we have seen a player improve so much in season lately. His approach at the dish has improved immensely as has his play at 3rd. Yeah I think you misunderstood. I think he's going to put up 6 wins this year and then explode in 2020. He's already a plus defender at 3B, he's exceeding everyone's wildest dreams based on 2017-18. So many people nationally wrote him off and they are missing the birth of a superstar. Edited July 3, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Well said. Don't think we have seen a player improve so much in season lately. His approach at the dish has improved immensely as has his play at 3rd. @Look at Ray Ray Run I don't disagree. I ain't arguing. What am I arguing about? My goodness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: What am I arguing about? My goodness. I think he meant that as he agrees with you and doesn't have to argue the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 41 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Well said. Don't think we have seen a player improve so much in season lately. His approach at the dish has improved immensely as has his play at 3rd. @Look at Ray Ray Run I don't disagree. I ain't arguing. I agree...Gio has done the same thing in the pitching department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 The initial post in this thread was negative on Moncada. Since then, 102 pages of pretty positive stuff. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 .897 OPS, 136 wRC+, 3.0 fWAR. Bust 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: .897 OPS, 136 wRC+, 3.0 fWAR. Bust And according to Statcast he’s producing exactly as he should be based the on his quality of contact. That being said, his BB rate will continue to improve with time which will only improve his numbers. I’d give anything to be able to extend this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Moncada (and Robert, too) are certainly going to be looking at huge paydays in order to sign extensions cutting into their free agency years with all that money in the bank for their families already. This is where Hahn will earn his money (or not). Anderson has turned out to be another solid extension...Jimenez, although he might not appear to be the biggest bargain in the world by fwar/bwar until or unless his defense can be close to average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caulfield12 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, SouthWallace said: The crazy thing is that Moncada is 19th on the OPS list for 26 and under players....and that #21-30 group might easily be the equal of #1-5. So much young talent in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The crazy thing is that Moncada is 19th on the OPS list for 26 and under players....and that #21-30 group might easily be the equal of #1-5. So much young talent in the game. And we have a lot of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Now tied for 20th in fWAR with...Tatis Jr. Passed Gleyber last night and is .2 fWAR behind Devers. The young talent in MLB especially in the IF is unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 18 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: No, I would be happy with that too, but.....I think with the amount of hype the rebuilds on both sides of town have had, anything less than 2 WS titles is a disappointment. The biggest thing to make that happen is that the Sox have to have better self-scouting than the Cubs did. The Cubs traded the wrong guys. The Sox have to trade the right ones. This is such a weird take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 19 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: No, I would be happy with that too, but.....I think with the amount of hype the rebuilds on both sides of town have had, anything less than 2 WS titles is a disappointment. The biggest thing to make that happen is that the Sox have to have better self-scouting than the Cubs did. The Cubs traded the wrong guys. The Sox have to trade the right ones. As badly as I want them to win world series after world series, I yearn for the days of watching competitive meaningful baseball. Give me a good entertaining division race all season long. We haven't had that since what, 2012? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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