Thad Bosley Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Yes! That means no more 40 years posts! Nice try, but just five measly trips to the postseason in 38 years for this loser of an owner our fan base continues to be saddled with (including the ten year playoff drought we are currently suffering through, which is MLB’s 4th longest such drought) is an entirely different discussion than the return received on the Sale trade. Btw, why are you always so afraid to discuss the current owner’s record, both on and off the field? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, Fan O'Faust said: Nice try, but just five measly trips to the postseason in 38 years for this loser of an owner our fan base continues to be saddled with (including the ten year playoff drought we are currently suffering through, which is MLB’s 4th longest such drought) is an entirely different discussion than the return received on the Sale trade. Btw, why are you always so afraid to discuss the current owner’s record, both on and off the field? Someone is living in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Someone is living in the past. The “culture of losing” brought to our fan base by the current loser owner of the White Sox is both past and present. Six straight years now of the kind of horrific baseball we’ve witnessed during that span and are now as we currently speak. Nothing past tense about that, and it would explain the team’s current TV ratings which are last on the planet. This of course is reminiscent of the mid-to-late 80s and mid-to-late 90s Reinsdorf teams, but I don’t want to saddle you with too much of the team’s sad history under the current loser owner. I know that’s more than you can handle. Meanwhile, just one lone trip to the postseason in the 13 years now since October 2005, and just four games at that with just one win. Just four playoff games and one win in the last 13 years. Surely you must be looking forward to the eventual change in the team’s ownership with THAT kind of pathetic record on hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fan O'Faust said: “Who the hell cares?” on the return of a trade involving Chris Sale? Answer - every single, serious White Sox fan, that’s who! And the owner and front office. Didn’t think that needed to be spelled out, but apparently it does. There's a better "s" word than serious. The same "s" word for fans who are worried about Moncada now I'll leave it at that. It's a rebuild. Moncada the all star would be great, but it is by no means a big deal if he's not. No one player makes or breaks a rebuild. Edited August 2, 2018 by AustinIllini 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, AustinIllini said: There's a better "s" word than serious. The same "s" word for fans who are worried about Moncada now I'll leave it at that. It's a rebuild. Moncada the all star would be great, but it is by no means a big deal if he's not. No one player makes or breaks a rebuild. Glad you’re not the GM. Hahn did not enter into the Sale deal thinking it was ok to come out of it without at least one future star to show for it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Fan O'Faust said: Glad you’re not the GM. Hahn did not enter into the Sale deal thinking it was ok to come out of it without at least one future star to show for it. Hahn came back knowing he got a top 5 prospect in baseball. If he doesn't turn out, that sucks. Doesn't mean anything with regard to the rebuild. Nice try, though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Can we create a “Ownership / Front Office b****fest” thread and direct all further complaints there for the near future? I have no problem is people hate Reinsdorf, KW, Hahn, etc. but it’s like every single thread gets derailed with the same tired argument. We get it, these guys have a terrible track record over the past 10 years and probably didn’t deserve the opportunity to rebuild the club. But those are the cards we’ve been dealt, so either we can all be patient and see how it shakes out or we can panic at every single bump in the road and use it an excuse to whine about these guys relentlessly. I know this will fall on deaf ears, but a lot of good conservations are being ruined with all the non-stop b****ing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Just now, AustinIllini said: Hahn came back knowing he got a top 5 prospect in baseball. If he doesn't turn out, that sucks. Doesn't mean anything with regard to the rebuild. Nice try, though. Oh, you’re right. You are so right. The return from trading your best asset at the start of a rebuild would mean nothing in regards to the rebuild. What was I thinking! Silly me.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Just now, Fan O'Faust said: Oh, you’re right. You are so right. The return from trading your best asset at the start of a rebuild would mean nothing in regards to the rebuild. What was I thinking! Silly me.... It's nice, but it's by no means necessary. The best players on the Cubs and Astros were all drafted by their teams. Big picture, it's about sustained amassing of talent. The success or failure of this rebuild is not tied to Moncada's performance any more than the Cub rebuild was tied to Baez in 2014 or 2015. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, AustinIllini said: There's a better "s" word than serious. The same "s" word for fans who are worried about Moncada now I'll leave it at that. It's a rebuild. Moncada the all star would be great, but it is by no means a big deal if he's not. No one player makes or breaks a rebuild. I think saying it’s not a big deal is not an accurate assessment. Saying it’s not the end of the world would be better. We can survive Moncada being just a slightly above average player, but that means a lot of other things have to go right. But that’s why you rebuild in the first place. to build enough prospect depth so you can cover any misses with hits elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think saying it’s not a big deal is not an accurate assessment. Saying it’s not the end of the world would be better. We can survive Moncada being just a slightly above average player, but that means a lot of other things have to go right. But that’s why you rebuild in the first place. to build enough prospect depth so you can cover any misses with hits elsewhere. Big picture, it's not a big deal. Now, if like six or seven guys fail to turnout, that's a big deal, but Fan O'Skyisfalling is being unreasonable. Edited August 2, 2018 by AustinIllini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Can we create a “Ownership / Front Office b****fest” thread and direct all further complaints there for the near future? I have no problem is people hate Reinsdorf, KW, Hahn, etc. but it’s like every single thread gets derailed with the same tired argument. We get it, these guys have a terrible track record over the past 10 years and probably didn’t deserve the opportunity to rebuild the club. But those are the cards we’ve been dealt, so either we can all be patient and see how it shakes out or we can panic at every single bump in the road and use it an excuse to whine about these guys relentlessly. I know this will fall on deaf ears, but a lot of good conservations are being ruined with all the non-stop b****ing. redundancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, AustinIllini said: Big picture, it's not a big deal. Now, if like six or seven guys fail to turnout, that's a big deal, but Fan O'Skyisfalling is being unreasonable. The return on the trade of a player of Chris Sale’s caliber IS a BIG DEAL, always, rebuild or otherwise. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Just now, Fan O'Faust said: The return on the trade of a player of Chris Sale’s caliber IS a BIG DEAL, always, rebuild or otherwise. Look man, I'm not going to convince you of the obvious. It's clearly beyond your understanding. What matters is the White Sox are in pure talent collection mode and the org had no use for an Ace starting pitcher. Moncada will be fine and it will be a nice trade but don't make the mistake of thinking his success or lack thereof is somehow indicative of the success or failure of the rebuild. The rebuild matters infinitely more than whatever you get back for Sale and to cry about the return is to completely miss the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 31 minutes ago, Fan O'Faust said: The “culture of losing” brought to our fan base by the current loser owner of the White Sox is both past and present. Six straight years now of the kind of horrific baseball we’ve witnessed during that span and are now as we currently speak. Nothing past tense about that, and it would explain the team’s current TV ratings which are last on the planet. This of course is reminiscent of the mid-to-late 80s and mid-to-late 90s Reinsdorf teams, but I don’t want to saddle you with too much of the team’s sad history under the current loser owner. I know that’s more than you can handle. Meanwhile, just one lone trip to the postseason in the 13 years now since October 2005, and just four games at that with just one win. Just four playoff games and one win in the last 13 years. Surely you must be looking forward to the eventual change in the team’s ownership with THAT kind of pathetic record on hand. When you said you weren't living in the past, you were just making stuff up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, AustinIllini said: Look man, I'm not going to convince you of the obvious. It's clearly beyond your understanding. What matters is the White Sox are in pure talent collection mode and the org had no use for an Ace starting pitcher. Moncada will be fine and it will be a nice trade but don't make the mistake of thinking his success or lack thereof is somehow indicative of the success or failure of the rebuild. The rebuild matters infinitely more than whatever you get back for Sale and to cry about the return is to completely miss the picture. What’s beyond understanding is you understanding the simple point I’m trying to make, which is you need to get something mighty special in a return for trade involving the surrender of Chris Sale. Forget the rebuild - just the straight up trade of Sale. Getting anything short of a future star is a future fail of a trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Can we create a “Ownership / Front Office b****fest” thread and direct all further complaints there for the near future? I have no problem is people hate Reinsdorf, KW, Hahn, etc. but it’s like every single thread gets derailed with the same tired argument. We get it, these guys have a terrible track record over the past 10 years and probably didn’t deserve the opportunity to rebuild the club. But those are the cards we’ve been dealt, so either we can all be patient and see how it shakes out or we can panic at every single bump in the road and use it an excuse to whine about these guys relentlessly. I know this will fall on deaf ears, but a lot of good conservations are being ruined with all the non-stop b****ing. The same people who always complain about the same things, will continue to do so no matter what thread is set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: When you said you weren't living in the past, you were just making stuff up. The present is a current 10-1 deficit at the hands of the Royals in the 6th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 And people b****ing about the Sale return at this point are nuts. We got prospects back that ultimately ended up with FV grades of 70, 60, & 50. The 70 grade prospect is a top 5 physical talent in all baseball. The 60 grade prospect has as big of a ceiling as any RHP in baseball. The 50 grade prospect just started in CF in the Futures Game and still has untapped potential IMO. In today’s world that’s an absolute fucking haul. I get Sale is the GOAT Sox pitcher and it sucks to see him dominating elsewhere, but right now it appears our front office did their due diligence and got what could be an epic return. That could change with time, but right now there is zero reason to be calling this a poor trade for us. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: And people b****ing about the Sale return at this point are nuts. We got prospects back that ultimately ended up with FV grades of 70, 60, & 50. The 70 grade prospect is a top 5 physical talent in all baseball. The 60 grade prospect has as big of a ceiling as any RHP in baseball. The 50 grade prospect just started in CF in the Futures Game and still has untapped potential IMO. In today’s world that’s an absolute fucking haul. I get Sale is the GOAT Sox pitcher and it sucks to see him dominating elsewhere, but right now it appears our front office did their due diligence and got what could be an epic return. That could change with time, but right now there is zero reason to be calling this a poor trade for us. Agreed. Also...Sale is still a blown arm away from Bosox fans going ballistic what they gave up for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fan O'Faust said: The present is a current 10-1 deficit at the hands of the Royals in the 6th. Every poster deserves better than this trash post. 2012 Astros - 55-107 2017 Astros 2012 Cubs - 61-101 2016 Cubs 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, AustinIllini said: Every poster deserves better than this trash post. 2012 Astros - 55-107 2017 Astros 2012 Cubs - 61-101 2016 Cubs The response was to a post about the past vs. the present, not about the potential future. But cute use of graphics - best contribution to the conversation thus far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Just now, Fan O'Faust said: The response was to a post about the past vs. the present, not about the potential future. But cute use of graphics - best contribution to the conversation thus far! Learn what a rebuild is. They can take years. They are literally about living in the future. Remember when Starlin Castro was the future on the north side? Where was he when the Cubs won the World Series? Oh, right. He wasn't there. Stop living in the past, FOF. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, AustinIllini said: Learn what a rebuild is. They can take years. They are literally about living in the future. Remember when Starlin Castro was the future on the north side? Where was he when the Cubs won the World Series? Oh, right. He wasn't there. Stop living in the past, FOF. Once again, I’m just talking about the return on the trade for Chris Sale. It needs to be something special, simple as that. It needs to be more special, for example, than the trade of the rental Aroldis Chapman to the Cubs, and look how that’s working out for the Yankees. And for what it’s worth, I actually do think the Sox will come out very nicely on that trade once it’s all said and done. I’m certainly not in any camp that suggests Moncada is a bust. I think he’s going to eventually be a monster, and god only knows what greatness is coming our way with Kopech. But that’s what I would expect when we trade a player of Sale’s caliber at his age with the contact he had. Nothing less! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The same people who always complain about the same things, will continue to do so no matter what thread is set up. But if that thread is set up, then all their negative crap can be moved there and threads can stop getting bogged down in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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