LittleHurt05 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 43 minutes ago, flavum said: So 56-72 starting Friday. That seems very optimistic no matter what they do. 54 games left with Indians, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Astros, Cubs, Brewers, and Cardinals. That’s 1/3 of a regular season. 14-40 at best? I'll take the over on that because baseball. They swept the Astros last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 27 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: No. Besides 100 losses now might not get you a top 4 or 5 pick Agreed. Reds, Orioles, White Sox are losing 100+. Marlins and Padres may fall back to that level of suck, and maybe the Royals depending on the Tigers being a little better than expected. The bottom five teams this year will set an all time low winning percentage for bottom five teams...by design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Thank god UM basketball did something this year. I wasn't quite mentally prepared for how tough year 2 was going to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, soxfan49 said: What's your prediction on what the staff looks like in 2 months? Fair enough. I just don't believe the consistent (hopefully) improvement of Moncada, Giolito, Lopez, and Anderson + the consistency of Abreu (and hopefully Garcia when he's back) will be enough to play .500 ball. Why? This is largely the group that played .500 ball to end last season, without counting on reinforcements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Jose Abreu said: You also have to consider that this team, constructed as is, is not a 9-25 team. I'm not saying they're good, I'm just saying they're not this bad. I actually think they are, as constructed, that bad. The rotation and bullpen are horrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: I actually think they are, as constructed, that bad. The rotation and bullpen are horrid. As constructed, yes, but this is a team that will add Rodon and likely will also add Eloy and Kopech at some point this season. Maybe they'll even add Zavala, Collins, and Stephens toward the end of the year. I doubt this team resembles the one we'll see in August and September much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Why? This is largely the group that played .500 ball to end last season, without counting on reinforcements. Because the staff & bullpen as it’s currently constructed are horrific Edited May 9, 2018 by soxfan49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: Because the staff & bullpen as it’s currently constructed are horrific It is the same team as September last year for all practical purposes that did exactly that last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Orioles 9-27 Sox will be 9-28 on Sunday night. (Reverse jinx) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 At least you've stayed faithful to your record projections Flavum...someday, a quant/bot can replace you so you have more leisure time to allocate to more productive pursuits, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Even if they get a top 5 pick, I have zero confidence they will get it right at this point. Their track record is abysmal with selecting offensive talent with this most recent Burger injury. All of our offensive talent was obtained through trades (or signings if you count Robert), which is great. Just no confidence our staff can pick and develop offense at this point. TA is really the only respectable offensive selection they’ve had, and jury still somewhat out on him. Will be (pleasantly) surprised if Collins turns out to be anything other than average, which isn’t saying much given our the expectations the FO set. But Collins could very well just bust too now, but I’ll let this year play out. Not sure where Sheets is at. But if you start thinking about the Hawkins, Mitchell’s, etc. the Sox have drafted in the past, this is downright brutal. Need to get this one coming up right - but am losing hope they can, which is frustrating when you see teams like Cubs, Houston, Colorado get it right with ease. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, Special K said: Even if they get a top 5 pick, I have zero confidence they will get it right at this point. Their track record is abysmal with selecting offensive talent with this most recent Burger injury. All of our offensive talent was obtained through trades (or signings if you count Robert), which is great. Just no confidence our staff can pick and develop offense at this point. TA is really the only respectable offensive selection they’ve had, and jury still somewhat out on him. Will be (pleasantly) surprised if Collins turns out to be anything other than average, which isn’t saying much given our the expectations the FO set. But Collins could very well just bust too now, but I’ll let this year play out. Not sure where Sheets is at. But if you start thinking about the Hawkins, Mitchell’s, etc. the Sox have drafted in the past, this is downright brutal. Need to get this one coming up right - but am losing hope they can, which is frustrating when you see teams like Cubs, Houston, Colorado get it right with ease. Collins has a slash line of .386/.565/.682 and a K/BB of about .6 since he changed the stance he was using on April 24. SSS, but those are incredible numbers regardless of sample size, and nothing like he's done for any stretch at any level of minor league baseball. I don't think he's going to bust. He may not end up being great, but the bat will play somewhere, and extremely well if he can stick at C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Special K said: Even if they get a top 5 pick, I have zero confidence they will get it right at this point. Their track record is abysmal with selecting offensive talent with this most recent Burger injury. All of our offensive talent was obtained through trades (or signings if you count Robert), which is great. Just no confidence our staff can pick and develop offense at this point. TA is really the only respectable offensive selection they’ve had, and jury still somewhat out on him. Will be (pleasantly) surprised if Collins turns out to be anything other than average, which isn’t saying much given our the expectations the FO set. But Collins could very well just bust too now, but I’ll let this year play out. Not sure where Sheets is at. But if you start thinking about the Hawkins, Mitchell’s, etc. the Sox have drafted in the past, this is downright brutal. Need to get this one coming up right - but am losing hope they can, which is frustrating when you see teams like Cubs, Houston, Colorado get it right with ease. It's identifying and keeping/fostering/nurturing that talent through into the majors: Eduardo Escobar Marcus Semien Jose Martinez (1B, Cardinals, son of ex-Sox Carlos) Tyler Flowers Fernando Tatis, Jr. Fwiw, the jury is far from out on Yolmer Sanchez and Matt Davidson. Either, or both, being a significant part of the next White Sox playoff contender would be pretty big wins for the front office. Edited May 10, 2018 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 12 hours ago, Special K said: Even if they get a top 5 pick, I have zero confidence they will get it right at this point. Their track record is abysmal with selecting offensive talent with this most recent Burger injury. All of our offensive talent was obtained through trades (or signings if you count Robert), which is great. Just no confidence our staff can pick and develop offense at this point. TA is really the only respectable offensive selection they’ve had, and jury still somewhat out on him. Will be (pleasantly) surprised if Collins turns out to be anything other than average, which isn’t saying much given our the expectations the FO set. But Collins could very well just bust too now, but I’ll let this year play out. Not sure where Sheets is at. But if you start thinking about the Hawkins, Mitchell’s, etc. the Sox have drafted in the past, this is downright brutal. Need to get this one coming up right - but am losing hope they can, which is frustrating when you see teams like Cubs, Houston, Colorado get it right with ease. Getting it right with ease = completely botching two #1 overall draft picks in the last 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 If you consider Bregman and Tucker a botch of Aiken...who they wisely passed on when more medical info was forthcoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Appeal was the other botch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 17 hours ago, Dam8610 said: As constructed, yes, but this is a team that will add Rodon and likely will also add Eloy and Kopech at some point this season. Maybe they'll even add Zavala, Collins, and Stephens toward the end of the year. I doubt this team resembles the one we'll see in August and September much. The only guys I think we'll see out of that group are Kopech and Stephens. I'd personally put Stephens in the rotation soon. Rotation spots are going to be hard to come by next couple years and he's already 26. Let's see what he's got at the major league level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 Pulled into 2nd pick (percentage points ahead of the Reds)...Baltimore clinging to 1st pick, but there's always this weekend to catch up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Honestly, I don't think this thread is necessary or meaningful until August. It is pointless worrying about draft position with over 120 games remaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: Honestly, I don't think this thread is necessary or meaningful until August. It is pointless worrying about draft position with over 120 games remaining. Nor is it enjoyable. I’m all for supporting the tank down the stretch, but it’s way too early to cheer for losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Following it this early only leads to heartbreak. Remember when the Bulls were 3-20, with a wide lead for the #1 odds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Following it this early only leads to heartbreak. Remember when the Bulls were 3-20, with a wide lead for the #1 odds? In 2007, the White Sox had the worst record for a time until Josh Fields and Jerry Owens lit it up in September. Never to light it up again. Edited May 11, 2018 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 On 5/9/2018 at 4:58 PM, soxfan49 said: What's your prediction on what the staff looks like in 2 months? Fair enough. I just don't believe the consistent (hopefully) improvement of Moncada, Giolito, Lopez, and Anderson + the consistency of Abreu (and hopefully Garcia when he's back) will be enough to play .500 ball. Three potential impact bats in the middle. Competent hitters in Yolmer Beef and TA. Lack of quality OFs a definite downside. Roster size really affects a team that could use some more offense. Nice intro from Polka. One of the CF spots could really use an upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 hour ago, raBBit said: Agreed but I do like to know where we are at relative to the other trash in the league. I personally won't cheer for losses until the last couple weeks of the season. It's all about development and enjoying my team (as much as you can enjoy this) until then. Oh I have no problem with knowing where we stand. Honestly, it makes the losing a bit easier to digest knowing we’re looking at another top pick. I just can’t personally cheer for losses this early into the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Sox currently have the worst record and #1 pick in the 2019 draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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