southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, fathom said: Actually tried to word it as carefully as I could, as I had never heard that and you never know what to trust in a comments section Dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I don't want to be too sally sunshine on Collins as a catcher, but I also just am not going to live and die on the here and now of his defensive abilities. He's working on stuff, he's confident and as of now, the sox are confident. As I've said before, I have too many anecdotal references of players that were DEFINITELY gonna move positions in the minors only to not, and sometimes even being really good. It doesn't mean Collins will be, but the opinions around it just don't seem as interesting or predictive to me as opinions around hitting or plate approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 On 5/9/2018 at 11:56 AM, TheTruth05 said: This article is really telling, if the Sox want sustained success and develop kids throught the draft then this stuff is completely unacceptable. He talked more about the changes on the WS Talk podcast. He tried to get rid of the hitch but didn't feel comfortable with it so he decided he's had a hitch all his life, he might as well go back to what has worked for him back to Little League. He reached out to his coaches at Miami for game tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 32 minutes ago, fathom said: He talked more about the changes on the WS Talk podcast. He tried to get rid of the hitch but didn't feel comfortable with it so he decided he's had a hitch all his life, he might as well go back to what has worked for him back to Little League. He reached out to his coaches at Miami for game tape. I haven't had a chance to listen but thanks, I will go listen.i wonder how big that hitch will play if/when he reaches the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 On 5/17/2018 at 8:02 AM, bmags said: He is merely 3rd worst in AA https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=2569650 On 5/17/2018 at 9:19 AM, Chicago White Sox said: I’m just not sure how much I trust Minor League framing stats. With everything we've heard about him being a defensive work in progress I'm not at all surprised he's going to need work on this. I'm just darn glad that the White Sox signed a veteran for 2 years to buy him the time to work on those things. This is literally not the first case of this from the White Sox, Tyler Flowers was a weak framer when the White Sox dumped him for the big upgrade that was Alex Avila and Dioner Navarro in our successful 2016 championship campaign, but he's turned himself into one of the better ones in the league. This is a skill people can learn and a number of people have gotten better at that as people have paid more attention to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 3-3 with 3 walks in 6 PA tonight. OBP to .447. Ridiculous. If he doesn't make it as a catcher he'll be a fine 1B/DH with that patience/power profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 What I found interesting about Collin's numbers so far is the lack of XBH. He has 7 dingers, which is good, but only like 3 doubles. Kind of strange that he is either crushing it out, or lacing singles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 4 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: What I found interesting about Collin's numbers so far is the lack of XBH. He has 7 dingers, which is good, but only like 3 doubles. Kind of strange that he is either crushing it out, or lacing singles. Either way, having a great season and should help this team in the long run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 6 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: What I found interesting about Collin's numbers so far is the lack of XBH. He has 7 dingers, which is good, but only like 3 doubles. Kind of strange that he is either crushing it out, or lacing singles. Once he gets to MLB and the juiced ball, I expect this to become less extreme. i.e. more doubles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 For some reason when I think of Collins' bat Adam Dunn comes to mind. I would happily take that production from the catcher position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 26 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said: For some reason when I think of Collins' bat Adam Dunn comes to mind. I would happily take that production from the catcher position. Adam Dunn's numbers at catcher would likely land that player in the HOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 43 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said: For some reason when I think of Collins' bat Adam Dunn comes to mind. I would happily take that production from the catcher position. NO WHERE near that level of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Jose Abreu said: Once he gets to MLB and the juiced ball, I expect this to become less extreme. i.e. more doubles He’s a guy who should really benefit from the pros both from the juiced balls and better umps. I’ve seen him be the victim of multiple bad calls in the few games I’ve watched him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Adam Dunn’s Minor league numbers are unreal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Taking a closer look at Collins numbers, he looks to me to be a future platoon guy, not so much a guy that can start 120-130 games, but more like 90-100 against RHP. Collins Career Minor League Stats: vs. RHP: 182 g, 25 hr, .254/.415/.488, 21.6% BB%, 26.5% K%, .326 BABIP vs. LHP: 110 g, 7 hr, .194/.339/.340, 16.7% BB%, 29.7% K%, .261 BABIP This is a pretty decent sample size at this point, and while he's shown he can absolutely mash RHP, he hasn't shown any ability at all to hit lefties. This makes me think the logical solution for the future is to platoon him with Zavala, who has better splits against lefties than righties. Zavala Career Minor League Stats: vs. RHP: 268 g, 31 hr, .270/.346/.468, 9.0% BB%, 25.0% K%, .336 BABIP vs. LHP: 142 g, 11 hr, .284/.368/.498, 10.8% BB%, 24.8% K%, .354 BABIP While his splits are nowhere near as drastic as Collins, he has shown a propensity to hit lefties at a better clip than righties (about an .860 OPS vs. .810 OPS). Now if the Sox decide to platoon these two, we're looking at all star contribution offensively from the catcher position with the ability of both of them to DH now and then on days they don't catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Why can’t he start 120 to 130 games? There aren’t that many lefties in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 While lack of walks is always a concern, a lot of walks doesn't always carry forward, obviously due to the far superior control of major league pitchers. Like to see that batting average higher and still too many Ks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Why can’t he start 120 to 130 games? There aren’t that many lefties in the majors. Roughly 40% of MLB pitchers are lefties. 60% of 162 is 97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, ChiSox1917 said: Roughly 40% of MLB pitchers are lefties. 60% of 162 is 97 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.beyondtheboxscore.com/platform/amp/2017/9/30/16387510/phillies-dodgers-brewers-left-handed-pitching-mlb-stats LHP pitched just over 25% of all innings last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderdale Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I am curious what his numbers are since changing his approach back to college? I don't think it would be nearly as drastic as before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, GreenSox said: While lack of walks is always a concern, a lot of walks doesn't always carry forward, obviously due to the far superior control of major league pitchers. Like to see that batting average higher and still too many Ks. He has a 24.5% BB rate, that’s going to come with a bunch of strikeouts whether you like it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: He has a 24.5% BB rate, that’s going to come with a bunch of strikeouts whether you like it or not. A 35% K rate is a problem whether you like it or not. And it's more likely to carry forward than the 24.5% rate if he doesn't hit better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, GreenSox said: A 35% K rate is a problem whether you like it or not. And it's more likely to carry forward than the 24.5% rate if he doesn't hit better. What in the world are you talking about? His K rate was 27.1% coming into the day. Would I like it lower, sure, but it’s not a problem give his BB rate & power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Someone is dividing K's by at-bats (outs), versus ALL plate appearances (including walks, hbp, etc.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 If he can maintain a .400+ OBP, and hit 25+ homers, as the primary catcher, when he gets to the Big Leagues, he will be a very productive player. Remember, he is a catcher and a left handed bat. The key will be whether, or not, he is an adequate back stop. If he is, I wouldn't care what his strike out rate would be. A catcher, batting left handed, in the middle of the order, would be fantastic. So far this season, versus RHP his stat line is: .295 .469 .562 1.030 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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