caulfield12 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Frank Thomas played 109 games in AA...he’s nowhere close to that. Only 38 in his career so far. He’s also not even 21 1/2 yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 23 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Frank Thomas played 109 games in AA...he’s nowhere close to that. Only 38 in his career so far. He’s also not even 21 1/2 yet. But a different era. I agree he needs time in AAA but some players go straight from AA to majors. So i think he will be moved pretty quickly to AAA but then stay there till they think he has no more to learn at that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 57 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Frank Thomas played 109 games in AA...he’s nowhere close to that. Only 38 in his career so far. He’s also not even 21 1/2 yet. Why does any of this matter? He has nearly a 200 wRC+ despite playing half his games in a pitchers park. Dude isn’t be challenged right now and that’s what development is all about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 (edited) He hasnt even had any setbacks or adversity to deal with... Kris Bryant, for example, had 68 AA games at age 22 and 70 AAA games and then debuted at 23. That’s still basically the AA All-Star Break for Jimenez to reach half a season of AA ball. Edited May 11, 2018 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 The better talent is in AA. AAA is a level for depth pieces for the MLB team and other AAAA type players. AAA is usually just a final tune up and I don't think it is always necessary to have to go there depending on the player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 57 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: The better talent is in AA. AAA is a level for depth pieces for the MLB team and other AAAA type players. AAA is usually just a final tune up and I don't think it is always necessary to have to go there depending on the player. He is going to get a different experience. With the amount of former MLB pitchers there, he is going to see a lot more MLB style pitching where guys try to go at your weaknesses and pitch backwards, instead of guys throwing what they want to work on and what they think is their best pitch. It is something Rick Hahn mentioned specifically the other day when talking about when guys would be promoted. Reading between the lines for Eloy, there is zero chance he skips AAA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 “I think he'll be pitched a little bit differently when he gets to Triple-A," Hahn said. "There'll be a bit of a more veteran-type staff. Double-A tends to be primarily a prospect level. Lot of guys with real good stuff who are trying to harness that stuff, speaking in general terms. And in Triple-A, you see a few more veteran types who might keep hitters off-balance, get them to expand the zone a little bit more, are a little more on the finesse side of things or at the very least have some more big league experience. Those, they tend to approach or attack hitters a little bit differently. "I do think he'll be attacked a little bit differently once he does get to Charlotte, and that'd be beneficial for him." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: He is going to get a different experience. With the amount of former MLB pitchers there, he is going to see a lot more MLB style pitching where guys try to go at your weaknesses and pitch backwards, instead of guys throwing what they want to work on and what they think is their best pitch. It is something Rick Hahn mentioned specifically the other day when talking about when guys would be promoted. Reading between the lines for Eloy, there is zero chance he skips AAA. Frank Thomas came from AA but that was different on a couple of levels. First, the Sox were trying to win. Second, it already was established he didn't chase pitches. It it was an inch out of the zone, he wasn't swinging. Perhaps the best concept of a strike zone for a guy that big and strong ever. It's something Eloy hasn't proven yet. But to thinke he can get to Frank's level with that is really not fair or realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Frank Thomas came from AA but that was different on a couple of levels. First, the Sox were trying to win. Second, it already was established he didn't chase pitches. It it was an inch out of the zone, he wasn't swinging. Perhaps the best concept of a strike zone for a guy that big and strong ever. It's something Eloy hasn't proven yet. But to thinke he can get to Frank's level with that is really not fair or realistic. Most important of all, Frank's GM didn't give an interview talking about how much Frank Thomas would benefit from playing in AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Just to be clear I wasn't suggesting Eloy shouldn't go to AAA. Was just stating a fact that not everyone needs to go to AAA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 (edited) How valuable is one year of player control considering that eventually you are going to have to decide whether or not to sign a player to a long term deal? Is it wise to have several of our top prospects s begin their service time in any one year or years (which means that they would come up at the same time) ? You would not want two or three star players wanting huge long term deals or choosing free agency at the same time. Maybe the rules have to be changed regarding service time. Edited May 11, 2018 by tray spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, tray said: How valuable is one year of player control considering that eventually you are going to have to decide whether or not to sign a player to a long term deal? Is it wise to have several of our top prospects s begin their service time in any one year or years (which means that they would come up at the same time) ? You would not want two or three star players wanting huge long term deals or choosing free agency at the same time. Maybe the rules have to be changed regarding service time. I think it's huge, especially if you are looking at a future star, and that one year is outside the winning window vs. inside the winning window. Be like Bryant. Call him up a couple weeks into the 2019 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Dick Allen said: Frank Thomas came from AA but that was different on a couple of levels. First, the Sox were trying to win. Second, it already was established he didn't chase pitches. It it was an inch out of the zone, he wasn't swinging. Perhaps the best concept of a strike zone for a guy that big and strong ever. It's something Eloy hasn't proven yet. But to thinke he can get to Frank's level with that is really not fair or realistic. Frank's command of the zone was so good, that manager Jeff Torborg actually wanted him to break camp with the team right from the beginning, based on what he saw of Thomas in spring training. It was then-GM Larry Himes who put the breaks on that and kept him in the minors until August of that year. But given the way Frank hit the ground running that August, it's fair to say that maybe Torborg was correct, and he could have had Thomas for the entire year of that 1990 campaign. Makes you wonder a little if a full year of Frank would have been enough for that surprise 1990 White Sox team to overtake Oakland that year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 3 hours ago, soxfan2014 said: The better talent is in AA. AAA is a level for depth pieces for the MLB team and other AAAA type players. AAA is usually just a final tune up and I don't think it is always necessary to have to go there depending on the player. More important for hitters than pitchers IMO since there is generally better off-speed stuff to deal with in AAA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Most important of all, Frank's GM didn't give an interview talking about how much Frank Thomas would benefit from playing in AAA. Eloy would benefit from AAA which is why he needs to be there in the very near future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Eloy would benefit from AAA which is why he needs to be there in the very near future. It is probably going to happen around the draft, or when Robert is back, which ever comes first. There is a whole mess of moves that needs to happen, and both of those events have a chance at being the catalyst for them. Once the Sox figure out how to break open a spot in Charlotte, there is a wave of guys all of the way down to rookie ball who are set to move up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 18 hours ago, Eminor3rd said: And those coaches are saying he isn't ready yet. That's the whole point. We don't want to disrupt the process just because this team is hard to watch on TV right now. no...the whole point if you haven't been following along...NOBODY has said bring him up now...geezus. Not sure how or why that factoid is eluding people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 True. Nobody on here is clamoring for Eloy to be brought up, just to get our minds off the crappy pitching staff we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 11 hours ago, soxfan2014 said: The better talent is in AA. AAA is a level for depth pieces for the MLB team and other AAAA type players. AAA is usually just a final tune up and I don't think it is always necessary to have to go there depending on the player. I think that is true for some college players where the club thinks AA to majors may be okay. But the HS/international kids may need AAA . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 (edited) My understanding is that when Frank played, AA was better in terms of top talent and AAA was just a holding league for replacement level players. Now it seems like the top talent still tends to hang out in AA but there is just a lot more AAA talent, particularly in pitching. I'm in no hurry to move Eloy around, but he does need to see AAA pitching. Edited May 12, 2018 by AustinIllini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 1 hour ago, AustinIllini said: My understanding is that when Frank played, AA was better in terms of top talent and AAA was just a holding league for replacement level players. Now it seems like the top talent still tends to hang out in AA but there is just a lot more AAA talent, particularly in pitching. You may be right about AAA. But I will say that Charlotte is mostly organizational minor leaguers and declining prospects(Kopech an exception). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 19 hours ago, Wanne said: no...the whole point if you haven't been following along...NOBODY has said bring him up now...geezus. Not sure how or why that factoid is eluding people... Maybe because it WAS said in the very first post in this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 (edited) He should stay in Birmingham until the Southern League All Star Game is over on June 19---then be sent to Charlotte for the rest of the season. Play about 125 games for the season, tell him "nice job", and see ya at Soxfest. Then next March, send him down at the end of spring training, and bring him up after the 7>6 date. Of course by the time the next CBA gets ratified, it may be a 6>5 date. Edited May 12, 2018 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, flavum said: He should stay in Birmingham until the Southern League All Star Game is over on June 19---then be sent to Charlotte for the rest of the season. Play about 125 games for the season, tell him "nice job", and see ya at Soxfest. Then next March, send him down at the end of spring training, and being him up after the 7>6 date. Of course by the time the next CBA gets ratified, it may be a 6>5 date. Fuck that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Fuck that. Oh, come on. You know you love Daniel Palka, Trayce Thompson and Adam Engel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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