Jake Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 1 minute ago, fathom said: Being up here is doing him no good. He has no chance right now. Go to AAA and hopefully regain confidence. If not, he will be in Independent baseball in 3 years Unfortunately, not only has he lost all of the command that might enable him to be a mid- or back-rotation pitcher, he's lost even more of his stuff such that it's getting hard to see the raw talent to do what he needs to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Just now, Buehrle>Wood said: Very lucky to only be down 2 0 Quite a statement when the Cubs only got 1 hit...and yet, it's a true statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 (edited) When we got Giolito we were told he had a 70 grade fastball and touched high 90s nearing 100. Then we hear that his spin rate is awful. Then his velocity dips to low 90s at best. Now he can’t find the plate. Great Edited May 13, 2018 by daa84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replacement Level Poster Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Giolito confidence is shot not even focused on holding runners only on hoping he can find his release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Why are they taking first pitch fastball as if it's their game plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: 3 stolen bases in 1 inning 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 I know Hendricks is a strike machine, but show alittle bit of patience up there boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 1 minute ago, daa84 said: When we got Giolito we were told he had a 70 grade fastball and touched high 90s nearing 100. Then we hear that his spin rate is awful. Then his velocity dips to low 90s at best. Now he can’t find the plate. Great Yep he's not even close to being competitive at this level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, fathom said: Please feel free to replace Cooper. He's still living off 2005 and Sale. Sox pitching staff MLB rank by WAR and RA9-WAR: 2002: 16 / 15 2003: 5 / 5 2004: 18 / 15 2005: 1 / 1 2006: 4 / 8 2007: 9 / 18 2008: 1 / 6 2009: 4 / 7 2010: 1 / 10 2011: 2 / 8 2012: 12 / 6 2013: 16 / 18 2014: 25 / 25 2015: 9 / 16 2016: 13 / 11 2017: 29 / 23 Somebody deserves credit for that alongside the unmatched health of the staff over that period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 1 minute ago, daa84 said: When we got Giolito we were told he had a 70 grade fastball and touched high 90s nearing 100. Then we hear that his spin rate is awful. Then his velocity dips to low 90s at best. Now he can’t find the plate. Great No, it was well known his velocity dipped. BUT, he was still 95-96 when he was debuting with the Nats. Where that went, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Fulmer and Gio are two pitchers I just don't see pitching in the bigs for much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 That Mom had zero awareness that her kids almost took a foul ball to the noggin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Matty D is for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Cancel post game! Love Davidson this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Davidson is bae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Davidson really fits in the modern day three outcome baseball, he's a keeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replacement Level Poster Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Davidson’s a pleasant surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jake said: Sox pitching staff MLB rank by WAR and RA9-WAR: 2002: 16 / 15 2003: 5 / 5 2004: 18 / 15 2005: 1 / 1 2006: 4 / 8 2007: 9 / 18 2008: 1 / 6 2009: 4 / 7 2010: 1 / 10 2011: 2 / 8 2012: 12 / 6 2013: 16 / 18 2014: 25 / 25 2015: 9 / 16 2016: 13 / 11 2017: 29 / 23 Somebody deserves credit for that alongside the unmatched health of the staff over that period. Chris Sale is a future HOF. He played a big role in that success. I also don't know if Cooper's philosophy will translate well to the current strikeout/loft era Edited May 13, 2018 by fathom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 I would have guessed pre-season that Fulmer being better than Giolito would have meant that Fulmer had a breakout year, not that they were fighting each other for a spot on the bus to Charlotte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 I do not see any growth in TA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: 3 stolen bases in 1 inning 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replacement Level Poster Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jake said: Sox pitching staff MLB rank by WAR and RA9-WAR: 2002: 16 / 15 2003: 5 / 5 2004: 18 / 15 2005: 1 / 1 2006: 4 / 8 2007: 9 / 18 2008: 1 / 6 2009: 4 / 7 2010: 1 / 10 2011: 2 / 8 2012: 12 / 6 2013: 16 / 18 2014: 25 / 25 2015: 9 / 16 2016: 13 / 11 2017: 29 / 23 Somebody deserves credit for that alongside the unmatched health of the staff over that period. That to me looks like if he has a quality rotation he can produce results, tough to compare this staff to garland, buehrle, Freddy, Contreras. All things just aren’t equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Davison would have had a homer if the wind was blowing in 40 mph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Just now, Replacement Level Poster said: That to me looks like if he has a quality rotation he can produce results, tough to compare this staff to garland, buehrle, Freddy, Contreras. All things just aren’t equal. At time, I also have felt they focused too much on Rodon throwing a change up instead of letting him try to dominate with two plus pitches. Hope we don't see something similar with Kopech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Replacement Level Poster said: That to me looks like if he has a quality rotation he can produce results, tough to compare this staff to garland, buehrle, Freddy, Contreras. All things just aren’t equal. Well I think as a general rule pitching coaches don't look good if the pitchers are bad. Of course, it's hard to know how much the success of some of the pitchers — especially the ones who came up through our system — was because of the coaching they received. I think in general the Sox rarely ran out there with the pure pitching talent to justify such excellent output, but that's of course debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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