CWSpalehoseCWS Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I think we see the same route with Abreu as we did with Konerko. He's good for Moncada at the moment, and there really isn't anyone pushing him aside at 1B, unless we all think Davidson is the answer there for when the Sox are theoretically contending in 2020. Eloy belongs in the OF until he proves he doesn't belong out there. Talk of shoehorning him into DH at age 21 is a little ridiculous. If the Sox can play Delmonico in LF, they sure as hell can start Eloy there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: I think any MLB GM will take an outfield of Pollock, Robert and Basabe/Adolfo/Rutherford over one with Jimenez on a corner.It's not a HAVE to...but it's not impossible to end up with that type of alignment, either. The Royals, for example, had Gordon, Cain and Dyson together, all three Gold-Glove level defenders. It was (unarguably) more necessary for Kauffman than it would be playing 81 home games at USCF, but we've seen this year and in the past what a huge difference outfield defense can make. Can we all just let the mega superstar outfielder be a mega superstar outfielder for us for the next 6+ years? He’s not Kyle Schwarber out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 It's not LIKELY. I just said they don't HAVE to play Jimenez there. For the majority of players, they're better off (especially as youngsters) playing a position everyday and being involved in the game and studying how pitchers approach hitters from that outfield perspective (as opposed to in the dugout or clubhouse). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, Jerksticks said: Can we all just let the mega superstar outfielder be a mega superstar outfielder for us for the next 6+ years? He’s not Kyle Schwarber out there. Preach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Well, Puig has finally started to hit in the last two weeks...so they're probably not going to make that kind of trade without exploring other options that won't cost a Top 75-100 talent, unless they can trade Puig (+ money) for Abreu, which makes little to no sense for the Sox. The ONLY one that would make sense for the Sox would be Joc Pederson for Abreu...as there's no way they would trade Verdugo for him. At any rate, they already have Puig, Kemp, Chris Taylor, Joc Pederson, Kiki Hernandez and Verdugo (DL) in the outfield. The biggest problems for the Dodgers have been in the pitching department, now that they have Justin Turner's bat back at 3rd. And yeah, Taylor and Pederson haven't graded out as "very good" CFer's defensively. That much is true. I'm not saying it's the most likely option only that it is an option and I don't think the Dodgers really hold that high of an opinion of Puig. They tried to trade him in the offseason coming off a much better year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 The problem is what would the White Sox possibly do with Puig for one year? Hope and pray he blew up in the AL and then sign a "team friendly" extension before hitting FA, in lieu of keeping Abreu/Avisail Garcia long(er) term? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: The problem is what would the White Sox possibly do with Puig for one year? Hope and pray he blew up in the AL and then sign a "team friendly" extension before hitting FA, in lieu of keeping Abreu/Avisail Garcia long(er) term? It would be a straight salary dump for the dodgers. Lets face it Puig isn't worth his salary. He actually has one more year of control but will likely be non-tendered next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 If there is value to be had for Jose and Jones, move both of them possibly together. My expectation would be someone in the 75-100 top 100 prospect range and something interesting; a 55/50FV & a 45/40 depending on how both the sox and their perspective trading partner matched up. Here are two examples Houston: OF/1B Yordan Alvarez & LHP Cionel Perez / SS Jonathan Arauz Colorado: 3B Colton Welker & LHP Breiling Eusebio & LHP Ben Bowden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 4 hours ago, wrathofhahn said: It would be a straight salary dump for the dodgers. Lets face it Puig isn't worth his salary. He actually has one more year of control but will likely be non-tendered next year. http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-dodgers/yasiel-puig-11575/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Keep him. Yes he's older--but he's VERY consistent and seems to be getting better with age. Plus last time we kept a 1st basemen around who was on the "wrong side of 30," we got 4 more all-star seasons out of a guy named Paul Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 8 hours ago, greg775 said: I don't follow the Cubs. Do they need a first baseman? They might overpay again in a trade with the Chisox. Jose A deserves to be on a contender. You aren't even trying anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 And if he stays it will be double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: You aren't even trying anymore. It’s gotten embarrassingly bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Stay. He's a good bet to be a good hitter for another 3-5 years, and he can DH more as he ages. Good leader, popular with the fans. Good bat. Keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 It only makes sense to trade him if you are going to get at least one really good prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: It only makes sense to trade him if you are going to get at least one really good prospect. That's the other thing -- the trade market hasn't been kind to first basemen past 30. I've said it before, but I think he's more valuable to the White Sox than any other team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: That's the other thing -- the trade market hasn't been kind to first basemen past 30. I've said it before, but I think he's more valuable to the White Sox than any other team. This just needs the control C, control V treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 It is one of those things where to have an opinion you kinda need to be able to peak at what cards are being offered. In theory, you probably could say you should shop him but in practice, I think it does more harm than good to sell this guy who means a lot in the clubhouse for some 45 prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted May 21, 2018 Author Share Posted May 21, 2018 10 hours ago, greg775 said: I don't follow the Cubs. Do they need a first baseman? They might overpay again in a trade with the Chisox. Jose A deserves to be on a contender. His name is Anthony Rizzo. Even if you don't follow the Cubs, you should know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, bmags said: It is one of those things where to have an opinion you kinda need to be able to peak at what cards are being offered. In theory, you probably could say you should shop him but in practice, I think it does more harm than good to sell this guy who means a lot in the clubhouse for some 45 prospects. I mean you absolutely listen, but based on what teams have been paying for similar players, it doesn't look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I mean you absolutely listen, but based on what teams have been paying for similar players, it doesn't look good. Yeah only a team that could be weird with offers (like the rockies) I could see, I don't see the Dodgers getting desperate. They've avoided going for it for 5 years, don't see it happening this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 11 hours ago, wrathofhahn said: Sure but the McCann trade happened in 2016. He really wasn't that good when he was moved and at that point already transitioned to 1B. Earlier I named five teams that could be interested in his services. It sort of helps there are a bunch of 1B on contending teams having terrible years. Whether that be the Mets. Yankees. Astros. Mariners. Rockies. Nationals. Indians Then you also have a team like the dodgers who need help and can move 1B off a position and get help there. Last year was a different story pretty much all the main guys will hitting we will have to see how it holds up. Another thing going for the CHW is if you take a look at the Mariners and Rockies for example they are two teams where they haven't really been there for awhile. They maybe more hungry to make a deal and for their fans to see a run. McCann hasn't had a single year in his career where the vast majority of his starts didn't come as a catcher. I mean it isn't even close. 2015 1042 innings as a catcher, 16 as a 1B 2016 757 Innings C, 5 at 1B 2017 827 C, 0 at 1B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 minute ago, bmags said: Yeah only a team that could be weird with offers (like the rockies) I could see, I don't see the Dodgers getting desperate. They've avoided going for it for 5 years, don't see it happening this year. Agreed, especially with the management team they have in place, they are completely risk averse when it comes to dealing prospects. I think there is a much better a chance a team on the fringe who is trying to grab the moment versus the Dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Eminor3rd said: Stay. He's a good bet to be a good hitter for another 3-5 years, and he can DH more as he ages. Good leader, popular with the fans. Good bat. Keep him. Exactly this. If he’s willing to agree to fair terms, I think a four year extension after this season makes a ton of sense. Something like 4/$80M would work for me. That would cover his age 32 to 35 seasons. And by 2021, hopefully Sheets or Burger is ready and able to push him to DH more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Dick Allen said: It only makes sense to trade him if you are going to get at least one really good prospect. Agree, got to get at least one top 50 caliber prospect. A back end top 100 wouldn’t cut it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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