5/29 Games

[ScootsMcGoots]

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Rodon back on the bump after getting hit with a liner in the head a few  days ago. If all goes well, maybe we see him in Chicago on Sunday?

Cease also pitching today.

[BlackSox13]

The writing is on the wall with Giolito and Rodon pitching on the same day. 

[GGajewski18]

3 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said:

The writing is on the wall with Giolito and Rodon pitching on the same day. 

 

Disagree.  I think Giolito needs to figure things up here.  Rodon/Lopez/Shields/Covey/Giolito, then Kopech comes up soon.

[Sockin]

If they didn't send Giolito down after that last start, I don't think they're going to do it.

Edited May 29, 2018 by Sockin

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said:

The writing is on the wall with Giolito and Rodon pitching on the same day. 

There is a level here that you really want to see.  Yes, I want to see both Lucas and Carson learning at the major league level because their talent level is going to be too much for a lot of AAA.  But when you get to the point where you aren't just struggling, but are fighting to get two innings in, that just destroys everyone else's jobs on the pitching staff and puts stress into the pen that they don't need.  If you are going to be here, you need to be going at least 5 innings in almost every start.  Otherwise the damage to the team is just too great, and you are pulling everyone else down with you.

[Eminor3rd]

Rodon physically pitching at the ballpark where I work tonight -- and of course it's my busiest night of the season. I will catch what I can and report though

[soxfan49]

20 minutes ago, GGajewski18 said:

 

Disagree.  I think Giolito needs to figure things up here.  Rodon/Lopez/Shields/Covey/Giolito, then Kopech comes up soon.

Who will Kopech replace then, assuming Rodon & Lopez stay healthy, Covey continues to pitch relatively well, and Giolito stays here?

[ptatc]

21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

There is a level here that you really want to see.  Yes, I want to see both Lucas and Carson learning at the major league level because their talent level is going to be too much for a lot of AAA.  But when you get to the point where you aren't just struggling, but are fighting to get two innings in, that just destroys everyone else's jobs on the pitching staff and puts stress into the pen that they don't need.  If you are going to be here, you need to be going at least 5 innings in almost every start.  Otherwise the damage to the team is just too great, and you are pulling everyone else down with you.

This is exactly the case. Giolito can't have anymore of the 2 inning outings. He needs to do his learning at the MLB level but it can't be at the expense of other players.

[BlackSox13]

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

There is a level here that you really want to see.  Yes, I want to see both Lucas and Carson learning at the major league level because their talent level is going to be too much for a lot of AAA.  But when you get to the point where you aren't just struggling, but are fighting to get two innings in, that just destroys everyone else's jobs on the pitching staff and puts stress into the pen that they don't need.  If you are going to be here, you need to be going at least 5 innings in almost every start.  Otherwise the damage to the team is just too great, and you are pulling everyone else down with you.

Couldn't agree more. IMHO Giolito is in the same boat as Fulmer. Neither are able to consistently find home plate and have been taxing on the pen. It can't be easy on the defense sitting out there on the field watching them try to find home plate pitch after pitch. The summer heat is here and those long innings will tax the defense as well.

 

I haven't given up on them but they clearly have to work on commanding their pitches. Fulmer was sent down for the same things Giolito is struggling with so I expect Giolito to go down when Rodon is ready. 

[GGajewski18]

3 hours ago, soxfan49 said:

Who will Kopech replace then, assuming Rodon & Lopez stay healthy, Covey continues to pitch relatively well, and Giolito stays here?

 

You make room.  Shields will get traded eventually.  Covey can go into long relief role too.

[soxfan49]

12 minutes ago, GGajewski18 said:

 

You make room.  Shields will get traded eventually.  Covey can go into long relief role too.

But if Covey continues to throw well, I think you have to leave him in the rotation and see if you found a diamond in the rough. As for Shields, I think it's wishful thinking to assume he gets dealt. Ideally, he will, but that's a large chunk of money for someone to take.

[Timmy U]

Santiago is the swing man, Rodon is going to replace him in the rotation.  Who goes down and who gets dropped from the 40 man is anyone’s guess.

[Bob Sacamano]

3 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Santiago is the swing man, Rodon is going to replace him in the rotation.  Who goes down and who gets dropped from the 40 man is anyone’s guess.

DFA Garneau and sign some random free agent catcher to a MiLB deal to make room on the 40-man. Or pick someone out of Volstad, Infante, Minaya to dfa.

Edited May 29, 2018 by soxfan2014

[Timmy U]

1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said:

DFA Garneau and sign some random free agent catcher to a MiLB deal to make room on the 40-man. Or pick someone out of Volstad, Infante, Minaya to dfa.

After watching yesterday’s game, i’d DFA Gonzalez and bring Garneau up until Smith is ready.  That was a clinic of horribleness behind the plate.  

I didn’t mean to imply it was going to be hard to find someone to DFA.  The Sox have like 10 guys on their 40 man who no one would miss.

[GGajewski18]

38 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

But if Covey continues to throw well, I think you have to leave him in the rotation and see if you found a diamond in the rough. As for Shields, I think it's wishful thinking to assume he gets dealt. Ideally, he will, but that's a large chunk of money for someone to take.

Shields will get traded.  Sox will eat the money and hopefully can get a deal like they did with Melky last year.  Puckett is a legit prospect, he's just hurt all year though.

[southsider2k5]

7 minutes ago, GGajewski18 said:

Shields will get traded.  Sox will eat the money and hopefully can get a deal like they did with Melky last year.  Puckett is a legit prospect, he's just hurt all year though.

If he keeps pitching like this, they might even get a small something for him.

[Dam8610]

46 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

But if Covey continues to throw well, I think you have to leave him in the rotation and see if you found a diamond in the rough. As for Shields, I think it's wishful thinking to assume he gets dealt. Ideally, he will, but that's a large chunk of money for someone to take.

Eat the money, see if you can get a prospect out of it. It's not like this franchise is going to be cash strapped this year.

[justBLAZE]

Regarding Shields and money owed, how much are Sox paying him?

Wasn't SD paying some of his salary?

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, justBLAZE said:

Regarding Shields and money owed, how much are Sox paying him?

Wasn't SD paying some of his salary?

IIRC the Sox are responsible for $10 million this year.

[SoxAce]

This is what u call a battling start for Cease. Not exactly his best outing so far but getting outs when it matters. 

[Eminor3rd]

Rodon absolutely cruising. Looks extremely smooth. Seven k’s through three and a third, and **** hits

[Eminor3rd]

And seconds after I post, meneses breaks it up with a single. It was a cheaply though. 

[ptatc]

Just now, Eminor3rd said:

And seconds after I post, meneses breaks it up with a single. It was a cheaply though. 

[Eminor3rd]

Rodon just threw the wildest pitch I’ve ever seen. Almost looks hurt? Nope maybe just his pride. 

[Eminor3rd]

Walks the next guy, stretching a lot on the mound. Pitching coach came out but left him in.