BackDoorBreach Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I have way too many questions for Abrams at #3 personally. I want Bleday for a LH, slugging, corner OF bat that we desperately need. Vaughn I have some concern with as well but nowhere near the amount I have with Abrams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, DirtySox said: Interesting. From the Fangraphs scouting report on Abrams. Is he the makeup guy? Theres literally nothing historic about any Abrams tool. His speed? Puhleeze. Hes not faster than Buxton of Billy Hamilton or Engel for God sakes. Speed ages poorly. His hit tool grades plus for a high school kid but that means nothing at the next level. His numbers weren't off the charts this year. If Abrams doesnt tap into power, if his hit tool doesnt translate, if he doesnt stay at short stop, then he's not worth the pick. If any of those three happen, imo, he wasnt worth it. That's far too risky for me. I want two elite tools from a high school kid. Not one and one + tool. Especially when that other tool is by far the hardest tool to grade - in a HS even more so(the hit tool) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, bmags said: That's gotta be it. Crazy though, mostly read the opposite about him previously, especially on work ethic. Gonna have to put the nail in the abrams coffin to sox, too many tendencies that push them in a different direction. The makeup guy they dq'ed didnt have a questionable makeup.. they implied it was widely known and all his teammates hate him. I'd be shocked if that was abrams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The makeup guy they dq'ed didnt have a questionable makeup.. they implied it was widely known and all his teammates hate him. I'd be shocked if that was abrams. Yes that's a good point. This fits more with Kiley's "makeup" guy in a podcast who he didn't know how to write it up, but was more about how he was just silent and awkward in in-homes. I figured that's who this is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, bmags said: I, too, would like the perfect player with no uncertainty to be available at #3. But I have the same concerns about not particularly athletic mashers, whom recently I have seen hit more of a wall once they face AA and AAA pitching, while high schoolers who are improving their body and skills facing top competition fly by them. I really hope vaughn is a complete masher, I think he definitely is worth taking a chance on. But people are taking at face value the idea that college competition is essentially the pros and we can just expect that type of player in the bigs, whereas the high school players are also what they are now, with no improvement. I dont think anyone is saying college is the same as the pros. It's certainly a hell of a lot closer than Georgia high school baseball though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Bledey has way too much movement in his load for my liking and such an extreme bat path. I know his strikeout rate has been under control, but I think there's a really good chance he has big swing and miss tendencies at the pro level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: I have way too many questions for Abrams at #3 personally. I want Bleday for a LH, slugging, corner OF bat that we desperately need. Vaughn I have some concern with as well but nowhere near the amount I have with Abrams. Ugh. Sox need to stop reaching for "need" with college bats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba phillips Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 The latest mock drafts have Abrams slipping to #6, so this could be a moot point. Unless, of course Williams overrides prevailing opinion and selects him anyway at #3. It would be like Williams to do something stupid like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, bmags said: Yes that's a good point. This fits more with Kiley's "makeup" guy in a podcast who he didn't know how to write it up, but was more about how he was just silent and awkward in in-homes. I figured that's who this is about. Seems very possible for a high school kid. It's really uncomfortable to be evaluated by people you dont know who then question you as if they know you and then draw conclusions based on your awkward, uncomfortable and nervous responses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Ugh. Sox need to stop reaching for "need" with college bats. Bleday is projected to go #4. That is anything but a reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, username said: Bledey has way too much movement in his load for my liking and such an extreme bat path. I know his strikeout rate has been under control, but I think there's a really good chance he has big swing and miss tendencies at the pro level. It may be, but it's nice to be in SEC. He may be more like a 25% k rate guy but I would be really surprised if he was out of control over 30% if he makes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 The BA round 1 rumors has been so dead. Gonna assume we get a pretty standard top 5 at this point. rutsch/witt/vaughn/bleday/green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, bmags said: The BA round 1 rumors has been so dead. Gonna assume we get a pretty standard top 5 at this point. rutsch/witt/vaughn/bleday/green I'd take bishop over green in a heart beat. Bishop is so raw as a baseball player - similar to anderson and development can come rapidly and all at once with limited reps. His adjustments this year are off the chart and you still have that uncertaint high school like ceiling because he got started full time so late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, bubba phillips said: The latest mock drafts have Abrams slipping to #6, so this could be a moot point. Unless, of course Williams overrides prevailing opinion and selects him anyway at #3. It would be like Williams to do something stupid like that. There will be 1,200 players drafted. Going 6th overall is not "slipping". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I'd take bishop over green in a heart beat. Bishop is so raw as a baseball player - similar to anderson and development can come rapidly and all at once with limited reps. His adjustments this year are off the chart and you still have that uncertaint high school like ceiling because he got started full time so late. I usually agree with your observations, especially on Abrams, and I too like Bishop. I'm just wondering if there are other sources which agree with you and Law, regarding how elite and special Vaughn's bat is? Is he clearly in a tier above Bleday and Bishop? Edited June 3, 2019 by Lillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: There will be 1,200 players drafted. Going 6th overall is not "slipping". It’s jus a common phrase, pal. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: There will be 1,200 players drafted. Going 6th overall is not "slipping". The difference in slot between those two picks is 1.5 million dollars. Bet CJ would call it slipping. Edited June 3, 2019 by mqr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 About 80 or so minutes and we will find out who it is. Im so damn excited and hopeful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Last BA mock, no real changes: Vaughn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Damn this is the haul they give to Dbacks though: - Carroll - Baty - Lugo - Walston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, bmags said: Damn this is the haul they give to Dbacks though: - Carroll - Baty - Lugo - Walston Yum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 From a pure stat perspective, Vaughn reminds me of Bagwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (Isn't up yet, but no certainty at the top is a good thing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Lillian said: I usually agree with your observations, especially on Abrams, and I too like Bishop. I'm just wondering if there are other sources which agree with you and Law, regarding how elite and special Vaughn's bat is? Is he clearly in a tier above Bleday and Bishop? Those two have a swing and miss in their game that likely will only get worse at the next level. Vaughn will be a slugger who controls his k-rate likely - it's very possibly Vaughn runs sub 18-17 k rates leading to him walking more than he strikes out which is the huge difference between his bat and the two you listed. Far better hit tool with the same power. Edited June 3, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I'm just going to be frank for a moment. Why the fuck would anybody tell a reporter/analyst anything right before their pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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