southsider2k5 Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, NorthSideSox72 said: I just re-crunched the numbers using my own spreadsheet, and you are correct! I am not sure how my math got screwed up before (probably because I was doing it in my head like a doofus), but thank you for double-checking me. I've updated the number in our Draft Tracker to show that $244,400 as the correct current surplus. Sounds good. Feel free to use the posts about how much we can offer remaining players on FS if it of interest for you. If not, I will probably post it on to the Soxnet twitter feed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: Didn't expect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, TheTruth05 said: Didn't expect that. Did they get him to drop a bit by promising a bigger number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, TheTruth05 said: Didn't expect that. I did. I had assumed he would go in the 25-30 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, fathom said: Did they get him to drop a bit by promising a bigger number? Certainly could be possible. He was definitely mocked in the back of the first round very very frequently prior to draft day. Edited June 29, 2018 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 The Sox are now over slot pool by $189,500 with Madrigal and Davis to go. That definitely means they expect a sizable under slot signing from Nick. My projection is still $6 million for the bonus number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Looking at the signing bonus of the top 10 below, I fully expect Madrigal to be an underslot. $6M seems like a good estimate. Also interesting that the only guys signed for $2M or greater after round 1 are HS kids you have to pry away from colleges. Given Walker isn't universally viewed as a 1st round pick, it surprised me a bit we ended up paying of 1st round money for him. http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/draft/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Assuming we do sign Madrigal for $6M, and Martin is a $75K hit against pool, we can give up to $650K to one of the HS picks. That's firm 3rd round money in even factoring in inflation 3 years from now. I think we have a strong chance at say Bryce Bush if Madrigal is underslot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Jose Abreu said: I did. I had assumed he would go in the 25-30 range. I just don't get it, what leverage does he have? It probably doesn't matter, but the Sheets/Walker overslot by a lot signings have been so strange to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, bmags said: I just don't get it, what leverage does he have? It probably doesn't matter, but the Sheets/Walker overslot by a lot signings have been so strange to me. This. It's like we're coming down to the end of the signing period, and we have no intention of using the extra money, so why not just give someone a nice hunk of overslot money. I find this quite annoying, as I pointed out, Walker is the only one in his circumstances signed for that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Wonder how our picks 9 and 10 feel about all of this. They received a $10,000 bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 minute ago, oldsox said: Wonder how our picks 9 and 10 feel about all of this. They received a $10,000 bonus. Picks 9 and 10 were college seniors specifically picked in order to save money for other signings. This is standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Remember that the Sox can still sign Madrigal for slot or even over slot. They can go over by 5% and get a tax/penalty, but not lose any picks. And that 14th rounder Davis Martin could go over as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 33 minutes ago, bmags said: I just don't get it, what leverage does he have? It probably doesn't matter, but the Sheets/Walker overslot by a lot signings have been so strange to me. My guess is it was a pre-draft agreement saying that we really want him and would draft him at 46 or whatever rather than where he was projected, and in return we'd pay him what he would've gotten had he been drafted where he was projected. Maybe there was mutual interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 23 minutes ago, oldsox said: Wonder how our picks 9 and 10 feel about all of this. They received a $10,000 bonus. Probably like they have been paying attention to what college seniors get paid with the current draft rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 28 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: My guess is it was a pre-draft agreement saying that we really want him and would draft him at 46 or whatever rather than where he was projected, and in return we'd pay him what he would've gotten had he been drafted where he was projected. Maybe there was mutual interest Doesn't work that way. He has little leverage if a team before the Sox drafts him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Doesn't work that way. He has little leverage if a team before the Sox drafts him. Right, he's not going back for his senior year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 30 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Doesn't work that way. He has little leverage if a team before the Sox drafts him. I was gonna say he could just go back to college but I guess @bmags thinks that isn't a possibility. I know it's rare but I figured it could at least be considered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 40 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Doesn't work that way. He has little leverage if a team before the Sox drafts him. Yes but if they ask what he will sign for and he says he wants 2 million, it will scare teams off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 18 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: I was gonna say he could just go back to college but I guess @bmags thinks that isn't a possibility. I know it's rare but I figured it could at least be considered It just is improbable he would make more if he went back. I mean obviously it may be a deterrant but we aren't signing these guys at slot were signing them pretty far over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, bmags said: It just is improbable he would make more if he went back. I mean obviously it may be a deterrant but we aren't signing these guys at slot were signing them pretty far over. I agree it's impropable but maybe the Sox took the bait and actually did want to secure him so they went over to "convince" Walker not to return senior year. I doubt it myself but there's a chance. Edited June 29, 2018 by TheTruth05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Just want to stress a few points: I don't think the pay to sheets/walker changed our draft I do think it underscores the tendency toward college talent from our front office I have a hard time believing just from comments on how the draft went from Hostetler/etc that we were specifically targeting these guys and tried to guide them back. I think it might just be an agreement of like 'hey if you get to us we'll give you slot + remaining pool. Something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, bmags said: Just want to stress a few points: I don't think the pay to sheets/walker changed our draft I do think it underscores the tendency toward college talent from our front office I have a hard time believing just from comments on how the draft went from Hostetler/etc that we were specifically targeting these guys and tried to guide them back. I think it might just be an agreement of like 'hey if you get to us we'll give you slot + remaining pool. Something like that. Why would they just offer them slot + remaining pool money for no reason? I think the only options are they offered more once they were a few picks away to scare off the teams in front of them or the players themselves simply demanded x money up front or they’d be going back to colleges. I lean towards the former not the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Why would they just offer them slot + remaining pool money for no reason? I think the only options are they offered more once they were a few picks away to scare off the teams in front of them or the players themselves simply demanded x money up front or they’d be going back to colleges. I lean towards the former not the latter. I didn't say I think they are doing it for no reason, I am surprised the premium the white sox have been paying to college second round picks. Look at the past two years: https://www.mlbdailydish.com/2017/6/15/15812484/2017-mlb-draft-signings-tracker https://www.mlbdailydish.com/2017/6/15/15812484/2017-mlb-draft-signings-tracker The amount the sox are paying their second round picks stands out considering they have picked college players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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