steveno89 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Dam8610 said: Look at Fangraphs grades on Madrigal. 70 hit 70 speed 60 field 50 (game) power 50 arm. For reference, according to Kiley's chart from his explaining scouting project, a 50 power grade was ~20 HR in 2014, which is likely a higher total today. Name a .300 hitting, 20-20 potential, Gold Glove caliber 2B in MLB today. There's Altuve and? Dustin Pedroia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 On Madrigal’s speed...from thegoodphight.com Just enough arm and range to play Short in a pinch, but not a guy you’d really want to play there for more than a few innings. His range is average at Second (below for Short) despite being a 70-80 grade runner (range is more reliant on short burst, lateral quickness which explains why some 55 grade runners have great range and some guys with 80 grade speed can have poor range, they’re different skills). He plays a smooth Second though and should be an average defender (although most reports have him close to future Gold Glove caliber at 2B) and his experience at Short gives him some flexibility to sub on occasion in an emergency. I mentioned the speed above, but I’ll expand a little. Nick’s a Right handed hitter and times from Home to First range from the 3.84 (grade 80+) range up to near 2.10 (grade 70). Scouts also note he’s a smart baserunner, times jumps well and knows when to push the envelope. I expect Madrigal to be a guy who could rack up 25-30 steals a year, maybe more. A team with him and Roman Quinn would be a blast to watch on the bases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 minute ago, steveno89 said: Just to clarify, this board will riot when/if the Sox select Signer, right? haha Typicallly with Soxtalk the bigger the meltdown, the better off for the franchise it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Just to clarify, this board will riot when/if the Sox select Signer, right? haha Prior to that Fangraph info about Kenny forcing the Sox to take Singer, I would have been "meh" over the pick, but not angry. BUT NOW, after thinking Hostetler and the boys could all be shut down because Kenny gets what Kenny wants, that infuriates me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Typicallly with Soxtalk the bigger the meltdown, the better off for the franchise it is. Sox have had plenty of time to evaluate players and make the correct decision here. I'm hoping we can trust them to not screw up a very important draft for the franchise. Who we select will immediately become a key part of the rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) If only Madrigal had lost his shit over a rain delay too.? Edited June 4, 2018 by DirtySox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Just now, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Prior to that Fangraph info about Kenny forcing the Sox to take Singer, I would have been "meh" over the pick, but not angry. BUT NOW, after thinking Hostetler and the boys could all be shut down because Kenny gets what Kenny wants, that infuriates me. I really don’t buy it to be honest. I think if they go Singer, then enough people in the room felt he was the guy. The problem is now doubt has been introduced to the equation and there will always be the question of whether or not KW intervened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Just now, DirtySox said: If only Madrigal had lost his shit over a rain delay.? My board: 1) Mize 2) Madrigal 3) Bart 4) Bohm 5) Singer In that order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Just to clarify, this board will riot when/if the Sox select Signer, right? haha We'll just be very disappointed in the White Sox. Also because Greg may throw in some comments about how our tanking only lead to Kirk Saarloos. Edited June 4, 2018 by Flash Tizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 If KW is the one making the call here...and if Singer busts, that better be the end of his Sox tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: I really don’t buy it to be honest. I think if they go Singer, then enough people in the room felt he was the guy. The problem is now doubt has been introduced to the equation and there will always be the question of whether or not KW intervened. That's what I mean though. We will likely never know if the Sox ACTUALLY wanted Singer, or if Kenny was swinging his dick around. I guess if Singer turns out to be good, it won't matter, but it will bug me for a while until then, and certainly if he ends up being a bust. It's not that I am anti-Singer, but that I am anti-Kenny power trippin'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: If KW is the one making the call here...and if Singer busts, that better be the end of his Sox tenure. And wouldn't that be a shitty grenade for the fanbase to have to take shrapnel from, especially if Madrigal pans out. Edited June 4, 2018 by ChiliIrishHammock24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: That's what I mean though. We will likely never know if the Sox ACTUALLY wanted Singer, or if Kenny was swinging his dick around. I guess if Singer turns out to be good, it won't matter, but it will bug me for a while until then, and certainly if he ends up being a bust. It's not that I am anti-Singer, but that I am anti-Kenny power trippin'. I think this is pretty on-point. Though ideally (for me) both are on board and we draft Madrigal and we hear he was their guy all along 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Just now, Flash Tizzle said: We'll just be very disappointed in the White Sox. Also because Greg may throw in some comments about how us tanking leading to Kirk Saarloos. I don’t think he could differentiate between Saarloos and the local friendly Lawrence (KS) Applebee’s waiter...as he’s not a draftnik. Otoh, he does reserve the right to be pissed off later when guys like Mitchell, Burdi and Burger get hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: If KW is the one making the call here...and if Singer busts, that better be the end of his Sox tenure. I just wonder, the entire rebuild would seemingly go against a KW philosophy right? Why would we believe all of the sudden his opinion overrides everyone elses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Expanding a bit from earlier: 1) Mize 2) Madrigal 3) Bohm 4) Bart 5) India 6) Swaggerty 7) Kelenic 8.) Stewart 9) Gorman 10) Larnach 11) Singer To be clear, I would take Trevor Larnach over Brady Singer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 minute ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: That's what I mean though. We will likely never know if the Sox ACTUALLY wanted Singer, or if Kenny was swinging his dick around. I guess if Singer turns out to be good, it won't matter, but it will bug me for a while until then, and certainly if he ends up being a bust. It's not that I am anti-Singer, but that I am anti-Kenny power trippin'. I feel ya, hopefully it’s all a smokescreen and the Sox take a position player. We typically fly under the radar and this Singer seems way too leaky for our front office. For some reason I feel Bohm could be the guy at #4 (if available) as he’s the prototypical Hostetler pick. Great plate discipline, significant raw power, & positional concerns. And I’d be ok with that even if Madrigal was still on the board despite liking Nick better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I just want to post this one more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Dustin Pedroia? In other words, that's an incredibly rare player, unlike a 3 or 4 starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 minute ago, DirtySox said: I just want to post this one more time. How many times has KW watched that clip today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, DirtySox said: I just want to post this one more time. Lol I missed that earlier. I'm scared whether or not this may help him. HE HAS THE FIRE WE WANT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: How many times has KW watched that clip today? ZOMG FIERY COMPETITOR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Flash Tizzle said: I just wonder, the entire rebuild would seemingly go against a KW philosophy right? Why would we believe all of the sudden his opinion overrides everyone elses? Well, he would select Adams or Murray I guess...to me, it’s more about power and ego. And Madrigal is the polar opposite of a KW selection, a “pure” baseball player (undersized) rather than a talented athlete who checks all the boxes in terms of 40 times and vertical leaps trying to learn the game on the fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 BAs latest has Singer to WSox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Flash Tizzle said: Lol I missed that earlier. I'm scared whether or not this may help him. HE HAS THE FIRE WE WANT Only Jake Peavy would react similarly...maybe Chris Sale? Buehrle would be laughing and sliding around on the tarp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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