Just for fun - what's your post-draft Top 30?

[NorthSideSox72]

FutureSox will have their list out for mid-season in about a month. I did a quick and dirty T30, without doing a lot of research, and thought it would be fun to discuss.

Here is mine, assuming all the high picks sign:

1    Eloy Jimenez
2    Michael Kopech
3    Luis Robert
4    Nick Madrigal
5    Dylan Cease
6    Dane Dunning
7    Zack Collins
8    Alec Hansen
9    Blake Rutherford
10    Micker Adolfo
11    Jake Burger
12    Seby Zavala
13    Luis Alex Basabe
14    Zack Burdi
15    Steele Walker
16    Jordan Stephens
17    Spencer Adams
18    Gavin Sheets
19    Luis Gonzalez
20    Luis Curbelo
21    Ian Hamilton
22    Lenyn Sosa
23    Tyler Johnson
24    Konnor Pilkington
25    Thyago Vieira
26    Laz Rivera
27    Lency Delgado
28    Jonathan Stiever
29    Joel Booker
30    Danny Mendick

Just missed in order: Bernardo Flores, Alex Call, Yeyson Yrizarri, Jimmy Lambert, Kade McClure, Tito Polo, Ti'Quan Forbes

Discuss!

 

[frogsplash31]

No love for Henzman?

[NorthSideSox72]

24 minutes ago, frogsplash31 said:

No love for Henzman?

I'm not a big believer in him as a major leaguer. I think his profile is the type that will dominate in A-ball, then hit a wall around AA. That said, he's been crushing it and I would be happy to be proven wrong.

 

[Jose Abreu]

--Tier 1--
01    Eloy Jimenez
02    Michael Kopech
03    Luis Robert (honestly almost put him at 1, he literally has a Trout ceiling)
04    Dylan Cease 
05    Nick Madrigal
06    Dane Dunning
07    Zack Collins
08    Alec Hansen

--Tier 2--
09    Micker Adolfo (almost put him in tier 1)
10    Luis Alexander Basabe
11    Blake Rutherford

12    Jake Burger
13    Luis Gonzalez
14    Seby Zavala
15    Steele Walker

--Tier 3--

16    Ian Hamilton
17    Tyler Johnson
18    Jordan Stephens
19    Kade McClure
20    Luis Curbelo
21    Lincoln Henzman
22    Lenyn Sosa
23    Gavin Sheets

--Tier 4--
24    Konnor Pilkington
25    Laz Rivera
26    Spencer Adams
27    Craig Dedelow
28    Jonathan Stiever
29    Ryan Burr
30    Cabera Weaver

[bmags]

8 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

--Tier 1--
01    Eloy Jimenez
02    Michael Kopech
03    Luis Robert (honestly almost put him at 1, he literally has a Trout ceiling)
04    Dylan Cease 
05    Nick Madrigal
06    Dane Dunning
07    Zack Collins
08    Alec Hansen

--Tier 2--
09    Micker Adolfo (almost put him in tier 1)
10    Luis Alexander Basabe
11    Blake Rutherford

12    Jake Burger
13    Luis Gonzalez
14    Seby Zavala
15    Steele Walker

--Tier 3--

16    Ian Hamilton
17    Tyler Johnson
18    Jordan Stephens
19    Kade McClure
20    Luis Curbelo
21    Lincoln Henzman
22    Lenyn Sosa
23    Gavin Sheets

--Tier 4--
24    Konnor Pilkington
25    Laz Rivera
26    Spencer Adams
27    Craig Dedelow
28    Jonathan Stiever
29    Ryan Burr
30    Cabera Weaver

It’s pick 30 but why Weaver over Delgado?

[NorthSideSox72]

2 minutes ago, bmags said:

It’s pick 30 but why Weaver over Delgado?

Was wondering the same thing.

Also McClure at 19 is interesting.

 

[Jose Abreu]

1 minute ago, bmags said:

It’s pick 30 but why Weaver over Delgado?

I like Delgado but he's a little high risk-high reward. I suppose so are guys like Curbelo and Sosa, but they're more advanced than Lency at this stage so I wanted to give a "safer" pick a spot. Sure, Weaver isn't exactly a low risk guy, but the dude can flat out run and I believe in his hit tool more than most. Of course this opinion is based on limited youtube scouting and draft reports so take it with a grain of salt 

[Jose Abreu]

Just now, NorthSideSox72 said:

Was wondering the same thing.

Also McClure at 19 is interesting.

 

The injury obviously doesn't help him out but he was my favorite minor league pitching prospect aside from the obvious Kopech/Cease/Hansen/Dunning. But a huge, 6'7 arm who induces ground balls like crazy and rarely allows home runs is very intriguing to me. I'm sure his HR rate will increase as he advances, but I like his potential. Could see him as a good reliever too 

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

1    Eloy Jimenez
2    Luis Robert
3    Michael Kopech
4    Dylan Cease
5    Nick Madrigal
6    Dane Dunning
7    Zack Collins
8    Alec Hansen
9    Blake Rutherford
10    Micker Adolfo
11    Zack Burdi
12    Luis Alexander Basabe
13    Jake Burger
14    Steele Walker
15    Jordan Stephens
16    Gavin Sheets
17    Seby Zavala
18    Ian Hamilton
19    Luis Gonzalez
20    Luis Curbelo
21    Tyler Johnson
22    Lenyn Sosa
23    Lency Delgado
24    Konnor Pilkington
25    Thyago Vieira
26    Spencer Adams
27    Laz Rivera
28    Kade McClure
29    Jose Ruiz
30    Jonathan Stiever

[Dam8610]

Two trends I'm seeing consistently that make no sense to me, especially in concert with the other:

1) Alec Hansen dropped 4 spots essentially due to injury.

2) Jake Burger ahead of Seby Zavala despite progress by Zavala and Burger being injured.

Can someone explain? I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the thought process. To me, Burger missing this year in High A puts him behind the development curve, where Hansen is IMO still basically on track. Neither player has done much of anything this year, but Burger essentially maintains his position (he was around 11 on preseason lists, and around 11 on every list on here) while Hansen drops 4 spots (Interestingly 8th on every list).

[Dam8610]

Also

1    Eloy Jimenez
2    Michael Kopech
3    Luis Robert
4    Nick Madrigal 
5    Dylan Cease
6    Alec Hansen
7    Zack Collins
8    Dane Dunning
9    Blake Rutherford
10    Micker Adolfo
11    Luis Alexander Basabe
12    Seby Zavala
13    Jordan Stephens
14    Zack Burdi
15    Spencer Adams
16    Jake Burger
17    Luis Gonzalez
18    Laz Rivera
19    Joel Booker
20    Steele Walker
21    Ian Hamilton
22    Lincoln Henzman
23    Tyler Johnson
24    Blake Battenfield
25    Konnor Pilkington
26    Thyago Vieira
27    Bernardo Flores
28    Jose Ruiz
29    Luis Curbelo
30    Jose Rodriguez

[Chicago White Sox]

Tier 1 (FV 60+)

• 01) Jimenez, OF
• 02) Kopech, RHP
• 03) Robert, CF

Tier 2 (FV 55)

• 04) Madrigal, 2B/SS
• 05) Cease, RHP
• 06) Hansen, RHP
• 07) Dunning, RHP
• 08) Collins, C

Tier 3 (50 FV)

• 09) Basabe, CF
• 10) Adolfo, OF
• 11) Rutherford, OF
• 12) Burdi, RHP
• 13) Burger, 3B

Tier 4 (FV 45)

• 14) Gonzalez, OF
• 15) Zavala, C
• 16) Stephens, RHP
• 17) Walker, OF
• 18) Hamilton, RHP
• 19) Curbelo, SS/3B
• 20) Sheets, 1B
• 21) Johnson, RHP

Tier 5 (40 FV)

• 22) Adams, RHP
• 23) Cordell, OF
• 24) Sosa, SS
• 25) Vieira, RHP
• 26) Lambert, RHP
• 27) McClure, RHP
• 28) Flores, LHP
• 29) Rivera, SS
• 30) Pilkington, LHP

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

1 hour ago, Dam8610 said:

Two trends I'm seeing consistently that make no sense to me, especially in concert with the other:

1) Alec Hansen dropped 4 spots essentially due to injury.

2) Jake Burger ahead of Seby Zavala despite progress by Zavala and Burger being injured.

Can someone explain? I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the thought process. To me, Burger missing this year in High A puts him behind the development curve, where Hansen is IMO still basically on track. Neither player has done much of anything this year, but Burger essentially maintains his position (he was around 11 on preseason lists, and around 11 on every list on here) while Hansen drops 4 spots (Interestingly 8th on every list).

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me:

• Collins hitting respectably greatly increases his value to me. I'm a believer he sticks at catcher. I think his potential is back to where it was when the Sox drafted him.
• I'm not overly high on Zavala. I view him as an offensive-first backup at the major league level. I know there are some that say he has improved his defense, but there are still reports out there (leading into this season) that say otherwise. I'm a fan and rooting for him to succeed, I just don't think he's going to be as productive as some other people think he will be once he makes the majors.
• I don't view Burger as having a high ceiling, but I think he will be a MLB starter even if it is ultimately at 1B. I think his hit tool is better than Zavala's. Regarding his injury in comparison to Hansen - it seems to me that Hansen's injury could cause a more severe derailment in his development than Burger's. If this persists and forces Hansen's ability to pitch his value is greatly diminished. Burger has no speed to lose, and if he gets shifted to 1B the bat still plays IMO.
• Hansen worries me a little with the arm issue he had. I feel like most of the other top prospects, especially Cease and Dunning, have take a big step this year. Perhaps that is unfair for Hansen's position on my list, but he technically hasn't developed any further than last year at this time. If Hansen repeats last season for the rest of '18, he'll be back up at the top for me.

[Flash]

10 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Tier 1 (FV 60+)

• 01) Jimenez, OF
• 02) Kopech, RHP
• 03) Robert, CF

Tier 2 (FV 55)

• 04) Madrigal, 2B/SS
• 05) Cease, RHP
• 06) Hansen, RHP
• 07) Dunning, RHP
• 08) Collins, C

Tier 3 (50 FV)

• 09) Basabe, CF
• 10) Adolfo, OF
• 11) Rutherford, OF
• 12) Burdi, RHP
• 13) Burger, 3B

Tier 4 (FV 45)

• 14) Gonzalez, OF
• 15) Zavala, C
• 16) Stephens, RHP
• 17) Walker, OF
• 18) Hamilton, RHP
• 19) Curbelo, SS/3B
• 20) Sheets, 1B
• 21) Johnson, RHP

Tier 5 (40 FV)

• 22) Adams, RHP
• 23) Cordell, OF
• 24) Sosa, SS
• 25) Vieira, RHP
• 26) Lambert, RHP
• 27) McClure, RHP
• 28) Flores, LHP
• 29) Rivera, SS
• 30) Pilkington, LHP

Would mirror mine almost exactly.

[Dunt]

1.) Jimenez

2.) Kopech

3.) Robert

4.) Madrigal

5.) Hansen

6.) Collins

7.) Dunning

8.) Cease

9.) Basabe

10.) Adolfo

11.) Rutherford

12.) Gonzalez

13.) Walker

14.) Burger

15.) Zavala

16.) Stephens

17.) Burdi

18.) Hamilton

19.) Curbelo

20.) Flores

21.) Pilkington 

22.) Sosa

23.) Cordell

24.) Johnson

25.) Sheets

26.) Puckett

27.) Rivera

28.) Ruiz

29.) Delgado

30.) Booker

[Chicago White Sox]

Our pitching depth is really amazing.  There were a ton of guys that didn’t make the cut on my list that easily could have made those last five slots or so.  The big names missing in the upper minors would be Puckett, Clarkin, & Guerrero.  Henzman could have easily made a case for a spot & Battenfield’s results at least make him someone to watch.  Plus we just drafted a ton of interesting college arms and I expect a few of them to shoot up the rankings next year.  None of these guys have TOR upside, but we should hopefully have a pipeline of back-end options for the foreseeable future.

[Dunt]

4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Our pitching depth is really amazing.  There were a ton of guys that didn’t make the cut on my list that easily could have made those last five slots or so.  The big names missing in the upper minors would be Puckett, Clarkin, & Guerrero.  Henzman could have easily made a case for a spot & Battenfield’s results at least make him someone to watch.  Plus we just drafted a ton of interesting college arms and I expect a few of them to shoot up the rankings next year.  None of these guys have TOR upside, but we should hopefully have a pipeline of back-end options for the foreseeable future.

I think Pilkington is going to explode in the Sox system personally. Sox will clean up his mechanics and he is going to shove.

[ChiSoxJon]

18 minutes ago, Dunt said:

I think Pilkington is going to explode in the Sox system personally. Sox will clean up his mechanics and he is going to shove.

That would be major...Not really a TOR guy like many in our system but definitely has starter potential, 3-4 type

[Chicago White Sox]

20 minutes ago, Dunt said:

I think Pilkington is going to explode in the Sox system personally. Sox will clean up his mechanics and he is going to shove.

That would be huge for the system.

[SoxAce]

56 minutes ago, Dunt said:

I think Pilkington is going to explode in the Sox system personally. Sox will clean up his mechanics and he is going to shove.

Completely agree. Kid was such an enigma in college as I said back in the draft thread, but he has alot of talent.

[Jose Abreu]

14 hours ago, Dam8610 said:

Two trends I'm seeing consistently that make no sense to me, especially in concert with the other:

1) Alec Hansen dropped 4 spots essentially due to injury.

 2) Jake Burger ahead of Seby Zavala despite progress by Zavala and Burger being injured.

Can someone explain? I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the thought process. To me, Burger missing this year in High A puts him behind the development curve, where Hansen is IMO still basically on track. Neither player has done much of anything this year, but Burger essentially maintains his position (he was around 11 on preseason lists, and around 11 on every list on here) while Hansen drops 4 spots (Interestingly 8th on every list).

For me, Hansen was at 8 rather than 4 because

1. I've always liked Cease better, and I thought Cease was great last year but was basically pitching without a defense behind him, causing him to have to pitch for strikeouts and preventing him from going deeper into games

2. Madrigal slotted above him but that's not Hansen "dropping", more just Madrigal being added

3. Just like with Cease, I've always loved Collins

4. I ranked Dunning higher just because there's a higher chance he'll be a solid MLB pitcher (lower ceiling than Hansen, but less risk). Maybe the injury did affect my ranking there. But of course now Dunning is injured too. 

[NorthSideSox72]

Interesting to me, to see Cordell ranked at 23 on a couple lists.

 

[steveno89]

1 hour ago, NorthSideSox72 said:

Interesting to me, to see Cordell ranked at 23 on a couple lists.

 

Cordell is 26 years old...it is pretty much now or never for him

[southsider2k5]

I had almost forgotten about Cordell.  When he went out at the end of April, the prognosis was eight weeks.  We are now almost exactly two months later, so I wonder what is going on with him?  If his window falls too much futher back, it will be gone with the amount of player flying through the system.

[Y2Jimmy0]

The Top 30 was very hard this time which is a good thing. We could almost go to 40 players pretty easily. 

1. Eloy Jimenez OF

2. Michael Kopech RHP

3. Luis Robert OF

4. Nick Madrigal SS

5. Alec Hansen RHP

6. Zack Collins C

7. Dylan Cease RHP

8. Dane Dunning RHP

9. Micker Adolfo OF

10. Luis Alexander Basabe OF

11. Blake Rutherford OF

12. Steele Walker OF

13. Luis Gonzalez OF

14. Jake Burger 3B

15. Jordan Stephens RHP

16. Zack Burdi RHP

17. Seby Zavala C

18. Spencer Adams RHP

19. Gavin Sheets 1B

20. Konnor Pilkington LHP

21. Ian Hamilton RHP

22. Luis Curbelo SS

23. Tyler Johnson RHP

24. Lenyn Sosa RHP

25. Ryan Cordell OF

26. AJ Puckett RHP

27. Thyago Vieira RHP

28. Jonathan Stiever RHP

29. Laz Rivera SS

30. Bernardo Flores LHP

Just Missed: Joel Booker, Alex Call, Danny Mendick, Ian Clarkin, Jose Ruiz, Lincoln Henzman, Lency Delgado, Luis Mieses, Kade McClure, Ti'Quan Forbes 

I was surprised to see so much love for Lency Delgado this early. He's super young and in the AZL. He wasn't really a 4th round draft prospect though even though that's where the Sox took him. He's definitely a guy to watch for sure though. As far as the draft picks are concerned, they the players went in the rounds that their talent actually justifies it would have looked something like this for Sox: 1. Madrigal 2. Walker 3. Pilkington 4. Stiever 5. Davis Martin 6. Jason Bilous RHP 7. Isaiah Carranza RHP 8. Lency Delgado SS 9. Ty Greene C Cal Berkley 10. Cabera Weaver. 

 

 

Edited June 28, 2018 by Y2Jimmy0