pcq Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Why does Stone always say that humidity is good hitting weather. I don't think Tom Skilling would say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 End of the inning mercifully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 At least now he's getting pounded while throwing with velocity. As for whether he's tipping his pitches, he definitely tips the curveball because the release point is in a different spot. It's pretty clear from Statcast that it's 4-8" higher at release than the rest of his pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, fathom said: You've even said it before, his fastball is just meat due to lack of spin rate. Good hitters will feast on it when it's over the plate. It was less obvious earlier in the year because he was so wild. Yeah, he's got the same problem as Lopez. I'm going to look up his spin rate on his fastball just like I did with Lopez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Also, on the Cincinnati broadcast they showed a brief interview with Don Cooper pregame. Coop said that Giolito has been "mentally tied up in knots" since they acquired him and it's something they're still working through. Also said they've been trying to ramp up his velocity lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, Jake said: At least now he's getting pounded while throwing with velocity. As for whether he's tipping his pitches, he definitely tips the curveball because the release point is in a different spot. It's pretty clear from Statcast that it's 4-8" higher at release than the rest of his pitches. He really needs to focus more on the slider. His only pitch with positive value this year. His fastball pitch value is scary bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Yeah, he's got the same problem as Lopez. I'm going to look up his spin rate on his fastball just like I did with Lopez. Lopez’s fastball >>>>>>>> Giolito’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Giolito FB spin rate: 2073 RPM MLB AVG spin rate: 2263 RPM. Again, that difference will make 95-96 look like 90-91, and 97-98 look like 93ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jake said: Also, on the Cincinnati broadcast they showed a brief interview with Don Cooper pregame. Coop said that Giolito has been "mentally tied up in knots" since they acquired him and it's something they're still working through. Also said they've been trying to ramp up his velocity lately. The increase in velocity is a huge development. It gives me the tiniest bit of hope that Lucas can actually work through this shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: Giolito FB spin rate: 2073 RPM MLB AVG spin rate: 2263 RPM. Again, that difference will make 95-96 look like 90-91, and 97-98 look like 93ish. Spin rate was main reason Nats gave up on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 NL Central 35-13 vs Sox, Royals, Twins, Tigers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Lopez’s fastball >>>>>>>> Giolito’s Velocity wise, sure. Lopez gets destroyed on his fastball just like Gio does when he gets hit around. The spin rate difference between the two is marginal. When Lopez sits 93-95 for an inning or two he gets killed just as badly as Giolito does. Edited July 3, 2018 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, fathom said: He really needs to focus more on the slider. His only pitch with positive value this year. His fastball pitch value is scary bad. He was also throwing 90 to 92 MPH until a few starts ago. No doubt his breaking stuff is key to his success, but sitting closer to 95 MPH with the fastball will most definitely help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, fathom said: Spin rate was main reason Nats gave up on him You could say the same about Lopez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: Velocity wise, sure. Lopez gets destroyed on his fastball just like Gio does when he gets hit around. The spin rate difference between the two is marginal. When Lopez loses his velo for an inning or two he gets killed just as badly as Giolito does. Lopez has positive pitch value on his fastball. It's his changeup that's bad. Giolito might have least effective fastball in baseball based off what I'm seeing on fangraphs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: You could say the same about Lopez. No he was available due to starting/reliever concerns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, fathom said: Lopez has positive pitch value on his fastball. It's his changeup that's bad. Giolito might have least effective fastball in baseball based off what I'm seeing on fangraphs. I'm sure he does. If you could isolate starts when hes down in the low-mid 90s Lopez usually doesn't get out of the 3rd. Go look at the gamethreads. Lopez has to stay in 96+ range otherwise he's not an MLB pitcher either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, fathom said: No he was available due to starting/reliever concerns Spin rate: Giolito: 2073 Lopez: 2092 MLB AVG: 2263 They both have a problem. I don't know if it is something that is even solvable. Edited July 3, 2018 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Velocity wise, sure. Lopez gets destroyed on his fastball just like Gio does when he gets hit around. The spin rate difference between the two is marginal. When Lopez sits 93-95 for an inning or two he gets killed just as badly as Giolito does. What was Lopez’s spin rate on his fastball last year out of curiosity? I have never seen any commentary of him having a straight fastball like Giolito and earlier this year his fastball was amongst the highest rated in baseball. I think you are overreacting to a sample size bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 I would wager that it was much more about a mixture of on-field results in MLB, velocity drop, and Giolito's mental state that made Washington unsure about him. I suspect MLB teams have much more uncertainty over the practical meaning of spin rate than what is being expressed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: What was Lopez’s spin rate on his fastball last year out of curiosity? I have never seen any commentary of him having a straight fastball like Giolito and earlier this year his fastball was amongst the highest rated in baseball. I think you are overreacting to a sample size bias. Yeah never heard concerns on Lopez and spin rate. There were numerous articles when Eaton trade happened that Giolito might be a bust due to fastball spin rate issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: What was Lopez’s spin rate on his fastball last year out of curiosity? I have never seen any commentary of him having a straight fastball like Giolito and earlier this year his fastball was amongst the highest rated in baseball. I think you are overreacting to a sample size bias. 3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Spin rate: Giolito: 2073 Lopez: 2092 MLB AVG: 2263 They both have a problem. I don't know if it is something that is even solvable. Here you go. His spin rate is marginally better than Giolito. This is over the entirety of 2018. Edited July 3, 2018 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, Jake said: I would wager that it was much more about a mixture of on-field results in MLB, velocity drop, and Giolito's mental state that made Washington unsure about him. I suspect MLB teams have much more uncertainty over the practical meaning of spin rate than what is being expressed here. Might have been Jeff Sullivan but within 24 hours of the deal, Bernstein had someone on the radio talking about how bad his fastball spin rate was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, fathom said: You've even said it before, his fastball is just meat due to lack of spin rate. Yet he also said Dane Dunning is garbage.. I'm just glad the kid is hitting 95-96 again. Gives me hope he can harness the other pitches (the curve especially) and possibly go even higher. Edited July 3, 2018 by SoxAce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, fathom said: No he was available due to starting/reliever concerns Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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