Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I mean, if Philadelphia would offer Adonis Medina as a headliner for Avi/Avilan/Cedeno, I feel like we'd do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said: Agreed. Winter meetings at the earliest but definitely not today (unless of course a team shocks with an overpay). Right. Phillies come along and offer a deal headlined by Sixto Sanchez or Adonis Medina for Avi and Avilian, the Sox are going to take it. But that isn't going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said: I mean, if Philadelphia would offer Adonis Medina as a headliner for Avi/Avilan/Cedeno, I feel like we'd do it Jinx! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I would trade Carlos Rodon right now to St Louis for Alex Reyes. Seems fair, with similar injury concerns. Who would say no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Regarding Rodon- what is stopping the Sox from paying him once he does reach FA? A common sentiment expressed here on these boards is that the Sox will have a plethora of monies to spend when the time comes for it. I don't know that Rodon is going to get cartoon deals thrown at his feet from all directions. He'll be significantly more expensive, yes, but not to the point that it can be concluded he is gone after his current contract is up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Swingandalongonetoleft said: Regarding Rodon- what is stopping the Sox from paying him once he does reach FA? A common sentiment expressed here on these boards is that the Sox will have a plethora of monies to spend when the time comes for it. I don't know that Rodon is going to get cartoon deals thrown at his feet from all directions. He'll be significantly more expensive, yes, but not to the point that it can be concluded he is gone after his current contract is up. I can't speak for everyone, but I just don't like pitchers signing for a ton of money for 7-8 years when they are in their upper-20s. Especially if they had prior arm issues in their career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: I can't speak for everyone, but I just don't like pitchers signing for a ton of money for 7-8 years when they are in their upper-20s. Especially if they had prior arm issues in their career. Another reason why the Sox crop of pitchers under 25 is impressive, and very, very valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I would package Avi and Avilan to the Phillies for the two Greeks of yore, Adonis (P) and Arquimedes (SS), and call it a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Shields for Sonny Gray? We flip Shields and bring Sonny in to see if we can Coop him. If not, we're really only out a wild card prospect from an August Shields waiver deal. If it works though...hmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 45 minutes ago, Baker said: I would trade Carlos Rodon right now to St Louis for Alex Reyes. Seems fair, with similar injury concerns. Who would say no? White Sox would say "no" because after coming back from TJS, Reyes is out for the year again with a lat tear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, heirdog said: White Sox would say "no" because after coming back from TJS, Reyes is out for the year again with a lat tear. Reyes hasn't pitched since 2015. Hard pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Baker said: I would trade Carlos Rodon right now to St Louis for Alex Reyes. Seems fair, with similar injury concerns. Who would say no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Haha. But Rodon doesn’t fit the Sox window very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, Baker said: Haha. But Rodon doesn’t fit the Sox window very well. Rodon is 25 and showing signs of a breakout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, Steve9347 said: Rodon is 25 and showing signs of a breakout. If Rodon can stay on this roll for the next season, and we decide then that he doesn't fit the window, then we're talking about having the most valuable asset on the trade market next season by a long shot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 51 minutes ago, FT35 said: Shields for Sonny Gray? We flip Shields and bring Sonny in to see if we can Coop him. If not, we're really only out a wild card prospect from an August Shields waiver deal. If it works though...hmmm... Lol. 8 minutes ago, Baker said: Haha. But Rodon doesn’t fit the Sox window very well. Sure he does. He's around 3 more seasons. If the Sox aren't at least a competitive team by 2020, things have gone very wrong. You could trade him trade deadline 2020 and get a haul if he's been healthy. There is a point of diminishing returns, as the Sale trade clearly reflected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Breakout version 5.0? Rodon only serves for 1 contention year, 2021. Reyes 21-24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, Baker said: Breakout version 5.0? Rodon only serves for 1 contention year, 2021. Reyes 21-24. By this logic, does Moncada fit our window? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, Steve9347 said: Rodon is 25 and showing signs of a breakout. He's also a Boras client and you have to assume they are going to FA under 99.9% of circumstances. 2021 is his walk year, which is also the 1st year the Sox should be clear contenders. The poster that said he doesn't fit the window is 100% correct. Hahn would be dumb not to at least listen to offers. I'll be shocked if Rodon keeps pitching well if he's here in August 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Baker said: Breakout version 5.0? Rodon only serves for 1 contention year, 2021. Reyes 21-24. Who's to say that Reyes will even be able to pitch during those years? His injury history is far more extensive and severe than Rodon's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: By this logic, does Moncada fit our window? Moncada is under team control through 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, Balta1701 said: Moncada is under team control through 2023. I know. I was kidding. But seriously, trading Rodon makes no sense unless someone overpays. There may be a time to trade him in the next few years, right now is now that time. I also think he does fit into the front half of the contention window. I think all had hoped that would start in 2019, and that's looking very unlikely, but this team should be respectable by 2020, and having 2 years of a front of rotation LHP is quite valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If Rodon can stay on this roll for the next season, and we decide then that he doesn't fit the window, then we're talking about having the most valuable asset on the trade market next season by a long shot. Yessir. No reason at all to attempt to cash out right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Swingandalongonetoleft said: Regarding Rodon- what is stopping the Sox from paying him once he does reach FA? A common sentiment expressed here on these boards is that the Sox will have a plethora of monies to spend when the time comes for it. I don't know that Rodon is going to get cartoon deals thrown at his feet from all directions. He'll be significantly more expensive, yes, but not to the point that it can be concluded he is gone after his current contract is up. Scott Boras. Boras clients go to the highest bidder. The Sox have given out exactly 2 long term contracts past 3 years on impending FA pitcher, and the one time they went over four years it backfired horribly on them. The other was Buehrle. Remember the whole John Danks saga? He's the only pitcher they've ever gone 5 years on. I don't agree with Reinsdorf on many things regarding how he runs the team, but going 5+ seasons on a FA pitcher is one of them. Sale doesn't count because they bought out 2 FA years and signed him to a 7 year deal 2 seasons into his career. In reality, that was a 2 year deal that they ended up trading anyway. Edited July 31, 2018 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 5 hours ago, GreenSox said: Sure, if they are legit lottery tickets. But to me moving Avi is priority. Isn't the idea of a legit lottery ticket a bit of an oxymoron? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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