BlackSox13 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 9 hours ago, wrathofhahn said: That's fair but that is more a byproduct of the fact we are rebuilding and our other options being terrible then Yolmer's bat playing well there. His defense is also better at 2B. I mean sure we can play him at 3B but normally you expect more offense from the hot corners. Which is why it makes sense to move him now assuming we get a good offer which is questionable with the market at 2B right now. Yeah man, the Sox have not had any luck developing a third baseman. Imagine the defense we might have seen from third base this year if not for Yolmer's versatility. Yikes. I prefer to keep Yolmer at least until the Sox develop, sign or trade for a third baseman and then have Yolmer as the utility infielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Quote 20. James Shields, RHP, Chicago White Sox Age: 36 Under control through:2019* team option 2018 stats: W/L: 4-11, ERA: 4.26, WAR: 1.0, WHIP: 1.263, SO: 97 Last 30 days: ERA: 3.27, QS: 4, IP: 33, H: 30, BB: 11, SO: 29 The White Sox would love to be able to trade Shields for at least a mid-level prospect. They point to his four quality starts over the last month and his resurgent changeup. However, so far the inquiring texts, emails and phone calls from contending teams have been practically non-existent. Jim Bowden ranked the top starting pitchers available for trade. While I’m not a huge fan of the guy, I wouldn’t get my hopes up for an exciting return. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Jim Bowden ranked the top starting pitchers available for trade. While I’m not a huge fan of the guy, I wouldn’t get my hopes up for an exciting return. For Shields? We won't get much the fact he's even movable is a miracle in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: For Shields? We won't get much the fact he's even movable is a miracle in itself. Oh I totally agree, but there’s been some debate on this here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) If the Sox can get a guy like Cordell for any of their guys, it's a win, even if the Cordell-like guy winds up playing like Cordell. You trade for enough of them, one will eventually work out. Edited July 25, 2018 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 This thread reminds me of a thing someone in the media said, can't remember whom, but to paraphrase, the person said 29 fanbases overvalue their players, then there are White Sox fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Dam8610 said: This thread reminds me of a thing someone in the media said, can't remember whom, but to paraphrase, the person said 29 fanbases overvalue their players, then there are White Sox fans. Are you suggesting we generally undervalue our players here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Are you suggesting we generally undervalue our players here? I'm suggesting that White Sox fans, more than any other fanbase, seem concerned with the fairness of a deal and are quick to dismiss any proposal that would give the team good value as unrealistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) Just now, Dam8610 said: I'm suggesting that White Sox fans, more than any other fanbase, seem concerned with the fairness of a deal and are quick to dismiss any proposal that would give the team good value as unrealistic. I've found that as well but Shields isn't an example of this. There won't be a deep market for him and honestly I'd prefer guys like Happ, Helickson, Evoldi, and even Matt Harvey. I mean he barely throws 90 now. There just isn't going to be much demand for that kind of pitcher who gets by with smoke and mirrors who will likely get rocked in the playoffs. Then you throw in his salary and buyout complications. I'd be happy just to get any sort of interesting prospect for him. Edited July 25, 2018 by wrathofhahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I feel like the past year has actually just made this board much better at gauging markets for players. I'll say that players like Shields/Soria/Avilan are very hard for me to figure out actual return pieces, but the expectation of either older blocked players or younger interesting backend pieces seems right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Rumor that the Phillies are looking at Adam Jones, not sure he’s much of an upgrade in RF. Avi would sure make a lot of sense for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Rumor that the Phillies are looking at Adam Jones, not sure he’s much of an upgrade in RF. Avi would sure make a lot of sense for them. I was wondering why BAL is in a fire sale and haven't heard his name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 Don't see Big Game James being dealt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 1 minute ago, ChiSoxJon said: Don't see Big Game James being dealt If you can't deal him, DFA him. Too many young pitchers in the org that need an opportunity. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, Dam8610 said: If you can't deal him, DFA him. Too many young pitchers in the org that need an opportunity. Agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 It wouldn't be an awful thing for pitchers to learn to be major leaguers from James Shields. The young pitchers seem to love the guy, and seem to learn from him. That said I would trade him for literally anything, but if no one wants him, he would be beneficial to have around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It wouldn't be an awful thing for pitchers to learn to be major leaguers from James Shields. The young pitchers seem to love the guy, and seem to learn from him. That said I would trade him for literally anything, but if no one wants him, he would be beneficial to have around. If not DFA, then bullpen. Stephens needs a shot to start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Dam8610 said: If not DFA, then bullpen. Stephens needs a shot to start. And he ought to be up for that - chance to "reinvent" himself; he might make all of that off-speed stuff work out of the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 21 hours ago, Dick Allen said: If the Sox can get a guy like Cordell for any of their guys, it's a win, even if the Cordell-like guy winds up playing like Cordell. You trade for enough of them, one will eventually work out. I would disagree. They don't need any more of this type of deal. They have enough of these AAAA fodder that may pan out ie Delmonico, Palka, Skole. They should trade for true speculation like the Shield for Tatis deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Stuff Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It wouldn't be an awful thing for pitchers to learn to be major leaguers from James Shields. The young pitchers seem to love the guy, and seem to learn from him. That said I would trade him for literally anything, but if no one wants him, he would be beneficial to have around. When Cease was on the broadcast last night he mentioned Shields helping him. I know Dunning said Shields helped him this Spring. Wonder if Shields would want to be a pitching coach when he’s done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, ptatc said: I would disagree. They don't need any more of this type of deal. They have enough of these AAAA fodder that may pan out ie Delmonico, Palka, Skole. They should trade for true speculation like the Shield for Tatis deal. Agree, take the lottery ticket with the one exception being a 3B. For example, while I don’t see happening, I would happily take a chance on JD Davis for Soria because we have less depth at 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Agree, take the lottery ticket with the one exception being a 3B. For example, while I don’t see happening, I would happily take a chance on JD Davis for Soria because we have less depth at 3B. That's what I was going to say - no AAA OFs but look at 3B or any middle infielder. Maybe catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just now, GreenSox said: That's what I was going to say - no AAA OFs but look at 3B or any middle infielder. Maybe catcher. Guys like AJ Reed, JD Davis, etc. could be interesting I'd prefer younger players though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Okay, so I’m seeing replies in the Fry thread but I want to know - who is next to go? Cedeno? Shields? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 43 minutes ago, The Beast said: Okay, so I’m seeing replies in the Fry thread but I want to know - who is next to go? Cedeno? Shields? Cedeno or Avalin. A lot of teams could use left-handed relief help. Shields will be more of an acquired taste. I still feel like Leury is the wild card here though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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