Sox Fan In Husker Land Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ChiSoxJon said: With Suter down, MIL will need a starter? Same team Hahn fleeced Cordell from (a top 15 prospect) for Swarzak last year I know MIL is into Britton too so maybe they go for Soria How does RHP James Shields and RHP Joakim Soaria to MIL in exchange for 1B Jake Gatewood and LHP Brendan Murphy That allows Hahn to package LHPs Avilan and Cedeno to BOS in exchange for OF Cole Brannen and RHP Roniel Raudes and call it a Deadline Any chance that the Sox could add a lot of cash to that deal and pry away Corey Ray or Tristen Lutz from the Brewers? From the Red Sox give me lottery tickets Antoni Flores & Danny Diaz. Edited July 24, 2018 by Sox Fan In Husker Land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Sox Fan In Husker Land said: Any chance that the Sox could add a lot of cash to that deal and pry away Corey Ray or Tristen Lutz from the Brewers? From the Red Sox give me lottery tickets Antoni Flores & Danny Diaz. Never say never but highly unlikely I like Flores from BOS too but I think the only way we get him is for Soria, lottery tickets make sense with a roster crunch coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 9 hours ago, ChiSoxJon said: Same team Hahn fleeced Cordell from (a top 15 prospect) for Swarzak last year Cordell was blocked with the Brewers and had to be put on a 40 man this year. He was exactly who a smart team will try to trade for a reliever in July. From the Sox perspective, Cordell needs to be auditioned fairly quickly. Unfortunate he got hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 hours ago, GreenSox said: Cordell was blocked with the Brewers and had to be put on a 40 man this year. He was exactly who a smart team will try to trade for a reliever in July. From the Sox perspective, Cordell needs to be auditioned fairly quickly. Unfortunate he got hurt. Cordell was available because he was hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Jon MorosiVerified account @jonmorosi 3m3 minutes ago More In preliminary #RedSox-#Marlins trade talks, source says Miami indicated that Michael Chavis or Jay Groome alone would not be sufficient to acquire setup man Drew Steckenrider. That is one snapshot of the market value for controllable relievers. For anyone like me who had never heard of Steckenrider before, he is someone who *should* have less value than Jace Fry. Fry is 2 years younger, and extra year of control, a lefty, and has been better in 2018. I would think we would all be pretty damn happy with either of these guys for Fry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Jon MorosiVerified account @jonmorosi 3m3 minutes ago More In preliminary #RedSox-#Marlins trade talks, source says Miami indicated that Michael Chavis or Jay Groome alone would not be sufficient to acquire setup man Drew Steckenrider. That is one snapshot of the market value for controllable relievers. For anyone like me who had never heard of Steckenrider before, he is someone who *should* have less value than Jace Fry. Fry is 2 years younger, and extra year of control, a lefty, and has been better in 2018. I would think we would all be pretty damn happy with either of these guys for Fry. Not really. If we trade 6 years of Fry for Chavis I'd be really annoyed. The guy is a lefty with an 11.6 K/9, good control, and left handed hitters hit .093 against him with a .299 OPS. His deception and profile do not scream regression to me. At some point we need to start keeping the guys who will be here until 2024. I understand the always trade relievers thing but Fry is an exception to me with his team control and consistency. The only way I can see us winning a trade in which we let him go is if he gets injured. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, Sox Fan In Husker Land said: Any chance that the Sox could add a lot of cash to that deal and pry away Corey Ray or Tristen Lutz from the Brewers? From the Red Sox give me lottery tickets Antoni Flores & Danny Diaz. The Brewers are a good fit for Leury, Soria and Shields. Leury and Soria give them additional control and Shields can eat some innings and pitch respectably towards the back of their rotation. Not sure AA and high A OFers are the best fit for the Sox right now though. Edited July 24, 2018 by turnin' two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Jon MorosiVerified account @jonmorosi 3m3 minutes ago More In preliminary #RedSox-#Marlins trade talks, source says Miami indicated that Michael Chavis or Jay Groome alone would not be sufficient to acquire setup man Drew Steckenrider. That is one snapshot of the market value for controllable relievers. For anyone like me who had never heard of Steckenrider before, he is someone who *should* have less value than Jace Fry. Fry is 2 years younger, and extra year of control, a lefty, and has been better in 2018. I would think we would all be pretty damn happy with either of these guys for Fry. Eh, Fry has 2 TJS in his book so the needle there moves a bit more against him. Still I'd be hesitant to trade him as I've always liked Fry's stuff plus he's very young and fits the rebuild. I also wanna say Chavis is one of the most overrated prospects in the minors right now. He is not that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 31 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Jon MorosiVerified account @jonmorosi 3m3 minutes ago More In preliminary #RedSox-#Marlins trade talks, source says Miami indicated that Michael Chavis or Jay Groome alone would not be sufficient to acquire setup man Drew Steckenrider. That is one snapshot of the market value for controllable relievers. For anyone like me who had never heard of Steckenrider before, he is someone who *should* have less value than Jace Fry. Fry is 2 years younger, and extra year of control, a lefty, and has been better in 2018. I would think we would all be pretty damn happy with either of these guys for Fry. Not to mention that Groome just had TJ and Chavis had a roid suspension, so their value may not be quite what it was a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Not really. If we trade 6 years of Fry for Chavis I'd be really annoyed. The guy is a lefty with an 11.6 K/9, good control, and left handed hitters hit .093 against him with a .299 OPS. His deception and profile do not scream regression to me. At some point we need to start keeping the guys who will be here until 2024. I understand the always trade relievers thing but Fry is an exception to me with his team control and consistency. The only way I can see us winning a trade in which we let him go is if he gets injured. You don't find 30 IP as too small of a sample size to keep him off limits to get an arm like Jay Groome?? Sure, I like Fry now too, but I wouldn't bank on him still being highly effective in 2 years when this team might be ready to contend. Relievers are so insanely volatile. Edited July 24, 2018 by ChiliIrishHammock24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: You don't find 30 IP as too small of a sample size to keep him off limits to get an arm like Jay Groome?? Sure, I like Fry now too, but I wouldn't bank on him still being highly effective in 2 years when this team might be ready to contend. Relievers are so insanely volatile. Of course it's not much sample size, and while his numbers may worsen, I think that he has the control and makeup to remain an effective reliever if healthy. Groome, on the other hand, is someone who may never be healthy. Relievers are indeed insanely volatile but I'd still be hesitant to give up on one who's so promising, cheap, and throws 5 quality pitches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 38 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Not really. If we trade 6 years of Fry for Chavis I'd be really annoyed. The guy is a lefty with an 11.6 K/9, good control, and left handed hitters hit .093 against him with a .299 OPS. His deception and profile do not scream regression to me. At some point we need to start keeping the guys who will be here until 2024. I understand the always trade relievers thing but Fry is an exception to me with his team control and consistency. The only way I can see us winning a trade in which we let him go is if he gets injured. Or if you get Austin Riley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoedairy Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Steckenrider actually has been quite good the last 2 years and isnt a free agent until 2024. (ERA+ of 173 last season, 108 this season) Although he is 27 so I'd agree Fry might have more value. I'd keep Fry though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 If Fry turned into Groome, I would be thrilled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Does anyone want to bet the Sox stand down at the deadline and make August deals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 19 minutes ago, The Beast said: Does anyone want to bet the Sox stand down at the deadline and make August deals? I think zero is chance they make no July deals. Guys like Avalin & Cedeno lose value come August as they could be claimed by anyone. Shields would likely clear waivers and maybe Soria makes it to a contender, but again it limits your negotiating power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think zero is chance they make no July deals. Guys like Avalin & Cedeno lose value come August as they could be claimed by anyone. Shields would likely clear waivers and maybe Soria makes it to a contender, but again it limits your negotiating power. Agree with all of this. I think Shields, Cedeno, Avilan and Soria are all "take the best offer" candidates. The Sox have pitching in Charlotte they would like to call up to start working with them and get em acclimated to the majors this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 4 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Jon MorosiVerified account @jonmorosi 3m3 minutes ago More In preliminary #RedSox-#Marlins trade talks, source says Miami indicated that Michael Chavis or Jay Groome alone would not be sufficient to acquire setup man Drew Steckenrider. That is one snapshot of the market value for controllable relievers. For anyone like me who had never heard of Steckenrider before, he is someone who *should* have less value than Jace Fry. Fry is 2 years younger, and extra year of control, a lefty, and has been better in 2018. I would think we would all be pretty damn happy with either of these guys for Fry. Wild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 4 hours ago, SoxAce said: Eh, Fry has 2 TJS in his book so the needle there moves a bit more against him. Still I'd be hesitant to trade him as I've always liked Fry's stuff plus he's very young and fits the rebuild. I also wanna say Chavis is one of the most overrated prospects in the minors right now. He is not that good. Chavis is super overrated IMO. I’ve been a big fan of Groome and would love to get him somehow, but he has to come at a discount because of his injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Fry is someone who may be able to start. He was a starter; I think he has sufficient pitches to start. They just moved him in the pen after his surgery, he pitched well, so there he is. He's got some MB in him - not sure he has that precise command, at least as of now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Fry is someone who may be able to start. He was a starter; I think he has sufficient pitches to start. They just moved him in the pen after his surgery, he pitched well, so there he is. He's got some MB in him - not sure he has that precise command, at least as of now. He's got way more swing and miss in his game than Buehrle did as evidenced by the K rate, and less control as evidenced by the substantially higher (though similar to Buehrle's year out of the pen) walk rate. Do they really want to risk starting a guy with 2 TJS already, though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think zero is chance they make no July deals. Guys like Avalin & Cedeno lose value come August as they could be claimed by anyone. Shields would likely clear waivers and maybe Soria makes it to a contender, but again it limits your negotiating power. 1 hour ago, BlackSox13 said: Agree with all of this. I think Shields, Cedeno, Avilan and Soria are all "take the best offer" candidates. The Sox have pitching in Charlotte they would like to call up to start working with them and get em acclimated to the majors this year. I hope you guys are right, I am surprised that we haven’t heard anything yet. And yes I know there’s a week left before the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, The Beast said: I hope you guys are right, I am surprised that we haven’t heard anything yet. And yes I know there’s a week left before the deadline. I think contenders are calling around to get an idea of what the going rates are for the sellers. Plus it's not like the four pitchers I named are hot commodities. They are trade worthy but not necessarily the best pitching options out there on the trade market. This has to be the craziest time of year in baseball for contenders and sellers. Can you imagine all the deals being discussed behind the scenes that we don't hear about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 20 hours ago, ChiSoxJon said: With Suter down, MIL will need a starter? Same team Hahn fleeced Cordell from (a top 15 prospect) for Swarzak last year I know MIL is into Britton too so maybe they go for Soria How does RHP James Shields and RHP Joakim Soaria to MIL in exchange for 1B Jake Gatewood and LHP Brendan Murphy That allows Hahn to package LHPs Avilan and Cedeno to BOS in exchange for OF Cole Brannen and RHP Roniel Raudes and call it a Deadline Bleacher report just suggested Soria to the Braves for LHP Kyle Muller and C Brett Cumberland. Interesting proposal, I’m not sure we can do much better than that, although I would hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 25 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Bleacher report just suggested Soria to the Braves for LHP Kyle Muller and C Brett Cumberland. Interesting proposal, I’m not sure we can do much better than that, although I would hope so. Think I would take that deal and run. It's not a bad proposal from bleacher report, which surprises me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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