fathom Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 It's August 8th and his ERA is 6.31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: When you have been called out somewhere around 40 times on pitches out of the zone, you are wrong. Cool. So we traded the best pitcher in White Sox history for a dude who will strike out 230 times with a sub .700 OPS, but it's OK because the umps hate this one guy for some reason and gyp him constantly. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just seems like one of those games where the Sox will just quit after Lucas gave up that slam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 minute ago, DH in the NL said: They’re already talking about Davidson coming in later. I mean why not? The fans need to be entertained somehow. The Sox are basically a triple A team compared to the Yanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttommarello823 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Sox won’ t score another run tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: If you're judging the quality of "stuff" by metrics, and not with your eye, you're already behind. You only like pitchers that throw 98+ and he doesn't. Both suck. His fastball spin rate is terrible, he can't throw his curve for a strike. He's pretty much having an epically bad season for a starting pitcher in the post-steroid era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Sir said: Cool. So we traded the best pitcher in White Sox history for a dude who will strike out 230 times with a sub .700 OPS, but it's OK because the umps hate this one guy for some reason and gyp him constantly. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Exactly what reaction are you looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, TaylorStSox said: Exactly what reaction are you looking for? Straw man arguments and “the sky is falling” attitudes are a Soxtalk staple lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Sir said: Cool. So we traded the best pitcher in White Sox history for a dude who will strike out 230 times with a sub .700 OPS, but it's OK because the umps hate this one guy for some reason and gyp him constantly. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Do you know ridiculous a temper tantrum is in place of actual facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, fathom said: Both suck. His fastball spin rate is terrible, he can't throw his curve for a strike. He's pretty much having an epically bad season for a starting pitcher in the post-steroid era. I wouldn't consider the last 2 years the "post-steroid," that's for sure. There's so much juice running through baseball right now that I'm feeling the pump just watching games. But yeah, he sucks right now. He's got good stuff though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, fathom said: It took me ten minutes of listening to the Cooper podcast with Chuck to realize why Cooper needs to go. He said he doesn't care if our pitchers strike out hitters. In today's baseball, you need that. What a heartless effort by Lucas. I think the game has passed him by personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: Exactly what reaction are you looking for? Uh, I'll take "Reactions that don't rationalize and excuse failure for people who made $31.5 million to play a game" for $1,000, Alec. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, fathom said: Both suck. His fastball spin rate is terrible, he can't throw his curve for a strike. He's pretty much having an epically bad season for a starting pitcher in the post-steroid era. His fastball is average IMO. The problem is he needs to be able to command it and have all his off-speed stuff working to be a good pitcher. That guy exists at times, but he just seems to get in his head far too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I'm so happy we have Kopech and Cease waiting in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: His fastball is average IMO. The problem is he needs to be able to command it and have all his off-speed stuff working to be a good pitcher. That guy exists at times, but he just seems to get in his head far too often. It has a neg 12.8 value on fangraphs. Might be the single worst pitch anyone has in baseball in terms of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, The Sir said: Uh, I'll take "Reactions that don't rationalize and excuse failure for people who made $31.5 million to play a game" for $1,000, Alec. You realize we don't have any influence on the actual games, right? Like, what do you want people to say? I'll do my part. "Oh my God, the White Sox suck and Moncada looks real bad right now!" Better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoxAce said: I think the game has passed him by personally. Does he use Statcast data at all? I know our minor league pitching coaches do, but I never here Cooper mention using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Wish our second baseman was half as good as Torres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, Scoots said: I'm so happy we have Kopech and Cease waiting in the wings. Cease has made mincemeat out of AA since his callup there. I think he gets the call to AAA when Kopech gets to Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 minute ago, fathom said: It has a neg 12.8 value on fangraphs. Might be the single worst pitch anyone has in baseball in terms of value. That’s because he’a struggled to command it and serves up a ton of meatballs when he falls behind. He also wasn’t at 94 MPH earlier this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: That’s because he’a struggled to command it and serves up a ton of meatballs when he falls behind. He also wasn’t at 94 MPH earlier this season. Also cause of the spin rate though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 First pitch strike looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: First pitch strike looking. It was a nasty pitch, I wouldn’t hold it against him. Tried to pull the trigger but couldn’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: First pitch strike looking. Second pitch about the worst swing of his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 ground out - progress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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