BlackSox13 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 14 hours ago, footlongcomiskeydog said: Alen Hanson is a scrap heap player who signed for 90K. Yoan Moncada is a guy who got a 40 million dollar signing bonus and a former #1 prospect in all of baseball. On paper, Hanson shouldn't even be close to sniffing Moncada's jock but baseball is a crazy game. Hansen shouldn't be in the discussion in the first place. But hey, whatever suits your irrational narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 5 hours ago, NWINFan said: Lack of durability would be the only reason so trade Rodon. But if the Sox would have such worries, other teams might, too. So what kind of marketability would Rodon have? The teardown is complete. If these prospects are so damned good, promote a few in 2019 and see what they can do. In the meantime, you can't keep trading away the few major league caliber players you have. As far as when the White Sox will be good? I don't think anyone can answer that. Well said and it looks like Mr. Hahn heard you lol. Kopech will make his mlb debut on Tuesday! Hopefully Eloy is up soon as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 NWIN said: In the meantime, you can't keep trading away the few major league caliber players you have. It's all about who Rodon's agent is and the history the Sox have had with him as well as his philosophy of taking guys to free agency by and large. if he's healthy I'm sure the Sox don't want to trade him but with the odds of him resigning low, what should they do? Let him walk for nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: There is absolutely zero reason for Hahn to publically announce a timeline other than to appease bitter fans who want to hold him accountable. The reality is the timeline is fluid and will change as guys develop and/or bust. We’re still way too early into the process to know with any level of certainty when the window will officially open. I’m sure they’re hoping internally for 2020 to be the first year of serious contention, but as has been mentioned in this thread multiple times, the first wave has developed slower than expected and that creates more uncertainty. And that uncertain is a big reason why it appears they won’t be calling up Jiménez & Kopech this year, which I applaud Rick for. No need to rush this rebuild in a half-ass attempt to hit some imaginary deadline. So now he’s not to be applauded? You've articulated for two consecutive posts that they should be held back until next April...that decisions should be completely divorced from the desires of “meathead” fans (well, that’s more SouthSider2k5). Edited August 19, 2018 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: NWIN said: In the meantime, you can't keep trading away the few major league caliber players you have. It's all about who Rodon's agent is and the history the Sox have had with him as well as his philosophy of taking guys to free agency by and large. if he's healthy I'm sure the Sox don't want to trade him but with the odds of him resigning low, what should they do? Let him walk for nothing? What doesn't change the fact, that outside of Rodon, you don't have a major leaguer in the rotation right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, NWINFan said: What doesn't change the fact, that outside of Rodon, you don't have a major leaguer in the rotation right now. Lopez is, at worst, a fifth starter or potentially elite bullpen piece. Giolito has looked that way his last 6-7 starts as well, and there’s been a notable uptick in velocity from his first two months. Now if we still don’t have any “sure” rotation pieces in place at the end of 2019, something has gone terribly awry. Edited August 19, 2018 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, NWINFan said: What doesn't change the fact, that outside of Rodon, you don't have a major leaguer in the rotation right now. I really think the Sox are going to go out and sign an arm this offseason. Similiar to how the Cubs ponied up for Lester while they were still rebulding. 2019 should be the make it or break it year for Giolito and Lopez. Let's hope that at least one of them turns into a legit back of the rotation arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, footlongcomiskeydog said: I really think the Sox are going to go out and sign an arm this offseason. Similiar to how the Cubs ponied up for Lester while they were still rebulding. 2019 should be the make it or break it year for Giolito and Lopez. Let's hope that at least one of them turns into a legit back of the rotation arm. Agreed, they need someone they can rely on for innings next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 The difference is only $100+ million there. Between Matt Harvey, and, let’s say, Dallas Keuchel. Do we go with a sign and flip one year Bandaid or legitimately target a long-term piece for the rotation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, NWINFan said: What doesn't change the fact, that outside of Rodon, you don't have a major leaguer in the rotation right now. No they don't but since they probably aren't going to be "contending" for at least two years that really isn't a big deal now and Rodon's clock towards free agency is ticking. So my question respectfully stands, do the Sox let him walk for nothing? No easy answer there, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 32 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The difference is only $100+ million there. Between Matt Harvey, and, let’s say, Dallas Keuchel. Do we go with a sign and flip one year Bandaid or legitimately target a long-term piece for the rotation? Caul: That's only half of the question. The other half is would someone take the Sox money (all things being equal) given the state of the franchise right now. The rebuild certainly has promise but there are no guarantees and these guys want to win usually right now, not three years down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: NWIN said: In the meantime, you can't keep trading away the few major league caliber players you have. It's all about who Rodon's agent is and the history the Sox have had with him as well as his philosophy of taking guys to free agency by and large. if he's healthy I'm sure the Sox don't want to trade him but with the odds of him resigning low, what should they do? Let him walk for nothing? Rodon has been one of our few bright spots this season. Narvaez hitting, Palka HRs, Engel's glove and a couple of departed relievers. Also: bunting, team spirit and hustle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Caul: That's only half of the question. The other half is would someone take the Sox money (all things being equal) given the state of the franchise right now. The rebuild certainly has promise but there are no guarantees and these guys want to win usually right now, not three years down the road. It's whether you want to outbid the rest of the market by 10-15%, see Buehrle with the Marlins/Loria in 2012. Edited August 20, 2018 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 10 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: If you go back and read them closely, The front office wasn't setting the time line. It was writers and fans. The Sox have never picked a year. The front office doesn't have to set a time line because JR wakes up with his 05 ring every morning. Job security at its finest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Caul: That's only half of the question. The other half is would someone take the Sox money (all things being equal) given the state of the franchise right now. The rebuild certainly has promise but there are no guarantees and these guys want to win usually right now, not three years down the road. Yes. Of course they will. Money is money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 12 hours ago, LittleHurt05 said: Yes. Of course they will. Money is money. Little: Keep in mind I said all things being equal. Like Caul said if the Sox overpay...sure... but if the money isn't different (or not that great of a difference) the franchise right now in this off season doesn't have a lot going for it but potential...and that may not be enough to entice guys who want to win now. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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