JuliusO1274 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 This is surprising. I'm not sure why they waited so long. I figured if they were going to start his clock this season then he would have been called up in early July the latest. I wonder if Kopech being openly agitated about being held down had something to do with it. And that is just based on some of his social media posts which were likely toned down compared to his real feelings. Agitation was probably developing into anger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliusO1274 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, flavum said: I will say, the service time thing isn’t as bad with Kopech. I get it. Calling up Eloy will legit piss me off unless they have an 8 yr deal signed. Why is it less bad with Kopech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Wow, this is dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, TheTruth05 said: If Shields being dealt was a must before Kopech was called up then Hahn is an idiot. You bullpen or DFA shields and give Kopech starts right after the trade deadline. 100%. Shields should have no bearing on Kopech’s arrival and if it does then god help us all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, JuliusO1274 said: Why is it less bad with Kopech? Because he’s a pitcher. The experience he could pick up now might be more valuable...plus he’s older and been in Charlotte all season. Eloy is a freak. He’s going to start a great career at 22 next April...I hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, JuliusO1274 said: Why is it less bad with Kopech? Yeah seems dumber to me than if they had called up Eloy, as Eloy is the much safer style of player to give a big extension to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Genuinely surprised and ok with this. Hope they get him a good number of starts down the stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 How much value is that extra year worth? A top 50 prospect? It's such a weird and bad move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: 100%. Shields should have no bearing on Kopech’s arrival and if it does then god help us all. If he was claimed on waivers, that covers the bases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 ✔️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 This might be the move that finally makes me turn on Hahn. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: How much value is that extra year worth? A top 50 prospect? It's such a weird and bad move. Who cares man? The kid looks ready for the Show and that is all that should matter. You can't hide these kids down in the minors forever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, flavum said: I will say, the service time thing isn’t as bad with Kopech. I get it. Calling up Eloy will legit piss me off unless they have an 8 yr deal signed. My thoughts as well. Really hope they keep Eloy down but I’m cool with this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 After looking at his IP the last two seasons this makes more sense. Kopech pitched 134.1 last year and currently sits at 126.1 this year. He needs the September starts in Chicago to continue building up his innings this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, footlongcomiskeydog said: Who cares man? The kid looks ready for the Show and that is all that should matter. You can't hide these kids down in the minors forever. Uh, nobody said to "hide him in the minors forever." That's what we call a strawman. I care, man. I care because there's value in an extra year. I care because it looks like a waste of value for no reason other than placate the annoyingly vocal shortsighted side of the fanbase. There's no logical reason to waste a year of service time for a team 32 games under .500. Edited August 19, 2018 by TaylorStSox 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, JuliusO1274 said: Why is it less bad with Kopech? Kopech hit AAA last year. The top pitching prospect in baseball need not spend 3 parts of seasons in AAA. Thats borderline ridiculous and probably would piss off people you dont want to piss off. Eloy has been in AAA less than 2 months. Much more justifiable. My only issue is this should have happened a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claydude14 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 He went 7 scoreless against the Twins AAA team last weekend, might end up facing some of the same batters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, JuliusO1274 said: Why is it less bad with Kopech? pitchers are ticking timebombs, you dont want him throwing meaningless innings in AAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: Uh, nobody said to "hide him in the minors forever." That's what we call a strawman. I care, man. I care because there's value in an extra year. I care because it looks like a waste of value for no reason other than placate the annoyingly vocal shortsighted side of the fanbase. There's no logical reason to waste a year of service time for a team 32 games under .500. It's the way you phrased it man. It sounds like you are concerned that the Sox are gonna lose a top 50 prospect 5 years down the line when the Sox are trying to trade Kopech ala the Sale deal. The prospect hoarding and teardown part of the rebuild are ovah! Some of us would like to see a competitve Sox team within the next few years. Bringing Kopech up now and getting him some mlb experience moves the needle towards that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: Uh, nobody said to "hide him in the minors forever." That's what we call a strawman. I care, man. I care because there's value in an extra year. I care because it looks like a waste of value for no reason other than placate the annoyingly vocal shortsighted side of the fanbase. There's no logical reason to waste a year of service time for a team 32 games under .500. It only makes sense if they plan on being competitive in 2019 and that’s seems like a stretch given how most of the young guys have played this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, footlongcomiskeydog said: Bringing Kopech up now and getting him some mlb experience moves the needle towards that. No. It really doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 dumb move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 This will never hold, but... 8-21 vs Min 8-26 at Det 8-31 vs Bos 9-5 vs Det 9-11 at KC 9-18 at Cle 9-23 vs Cubs 9-29 at Min 4 home, one start each at AL Central parks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 In between innings, they were hawking Kopech jerseys available now at Sports Depot at the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I am sympathetic to the view that pitcher health is so hard to project 6 years into the future that you need to optimize for the next 2-3 years and just let the rest shake out. And if they are about to trade Shields and ended up calling Spencer Adams or something, it would have made the games they're (no longer) playing way too obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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