Kopech the latest MLB player with questionable Twitter history

[ChiSox1917]

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[Jose Abreu]

7 minutes ago, ChiSox1917 said:

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Congratulations

[Jack Parkman]

28 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said:

That's fair. The problem sort of becomes when it stops being the clinical term it sort of has the opposite effect because in a way the disabled community is giving up ownership of it and if it no longer refers to someone who is disabled how can it be offensive?

After all at one time moron, imbecile, and idiot were also clinical definitions of people with an intellectual disability (ICD-9, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ICD-9_codes_290–319:_mental_disorders#Mental_retardation_(317–319)) has retiring them from medical texts stopped their usage?

What makes using retard less acceptable then imbecile? Time?

Technically, they're all unacceptable. Those terms are only used as insults now, so they've taken a different meaning. 

[Polar Bear]

It is interesting how as a society we went from 

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"

To this...

People say and do things as kids, good and bad.  They are kids, that's the point of a childhood, to learn and grow.  No one should be crucified for what they did as a teen.  

This shouldn't be an issue but in today's society people make non issues such huge things.  Everyone should learn from this and move on. 

Baseball players, adults, teens, even kids.  If just one person learns something from this, then this will have a positive impact on society.

 

 

[Jake]

Let's be clear: Kopech appears to be experiencing no negative consequences from this beyond mild embarrassment

[Jack Parkman]

21 minutes ago, Moncada said:

It is interesting how as a society we went from 

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"

To this...

People say and do things as kids, good and bad.  They are kids, that's the point of a childhood, to learn and grow.  No one should be crucified for what they did as a teen.  

This shouldn't be an issue but in today's society people make non issues such huge things.  Everyone should learn from this and move on. 

Baseball players, adults, teens, even kids.  If just one person learns something from this, then this will have a positive impact on society.

 

 

The F word, N word and R word are being phased out of society because of their original intent. They were used to dehumanize the segment of society they were referring to, and that is why people find them offensive. If you understand the history and context of these words, you understand why they are incredibly offensive. 

If you want to know, I find things like Inspiration Porn more patronizing than being called the R word, because it perpetuates a cultural attitude that adaptation to others is a one way street for disabled people, and that if a disabled person can't pull off the success story that this person pulled off, they must be lazy or unmotivated. They make movies about those things for a reason, because they are incredibly rare and for once I wish they would make a documentary about what it is like for 90% of disabled folks. More people are outraged at the movie Blackfish than they are with how the disabled are treated worldwide. I have zero respect for organizations like PETA because we need to solve human rights abuses before we give an ounce of energy to animal rights. 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Jack Parkman

[caulfield12]

19 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

The F word, N word and R word are being phased out of society because of their original intent. They were used to dehumanize the segment of society they were referring to, and that is why people find them offensive. If you understand the history and context of these words, you understand why they are incredibly offensive. 

If you want to know, I find things like Inspiration Porn more patronizing than being called the R word, because it perpetuates a cultural attitude that adaptation to others is a one way street for disabled people, and that if a disabled person can't pull off the success story that this person pulled off, they must be lazy or unmotivated. They make movies about those things for a reason, because they are incredibly rare and for once I wish they would make a documentary about what it is like for 90% of disabled folks. More people are outraged at the movie Blackfish than they are with how the disabled are treated worldwide. I have zero respect for organizations like PETA because we need to solve human rights abuses before we give an ounce of energy to animal rights. 

It’s life.  To say that everyone should be forced to deal with “world poverty/hunger” or disease eradification before joining an organization like PETA makes zero sense.  

The reality is that unless you’re directly affected by an issue, it’s going to be a more passive concern.  Then, you become a parent and your 8 year old is hit by a drunk driver, MADD is born.

We could spend the rest of our lives studying why panda or even orca sanctuaries receive 10 or 100x as much as “human” causes...or you can run for office and try to change things in that way.

But to force everyone to join a cause...well, if you’re Christian, you’d feel the exact same way about anyone who didn’t give up their lives protesting abortion clinics, for example.

[wrathofhahn]

12 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

The F word, N word and R word are being phased out of society because of their original intent. They were used to dehumanize the segment of society they were referring to, and that is why people find them offensive. If you understand the history and context of these words, you understand why they are incredibly offensive. 

If you want to know, I find things like Inspiration Porn more patronizing than being called the R word, because it perpetuates a cultural attitude that adaptation to others is a one way street for disabled people, and that if a disabled person can't pull off the success story that this person pulled off, they must be lazy or unmotivated. They make movies about those things for a reason, because they are incredibly rare and for once I wish they would make a documentary about what it is like for 90% of disabled folks. More people are outraged at the movie Blackfish than they are with how the disabled are treated worldwide. I have zero respect for organizations like PETA because we need to solve human rights abuses before we give an ounce of energy to animal rights. 

The term retardation was never meant to dehumanize. In fact it was the 80's version of developmentally challenged and was the result of a major push of advocacy groups in the 60's 70's to change ICD-9 from idiot, imbecile and moronic. I guess the point is we can keep going back to the euphemism factory every couple of years or we can solve the root cause.

Which is like you said not generalizing accepting the fact people are born with differences and being respectful.

 

[Jack Parkman]

5 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said:

The term retardation was never meant to dehumanize. In fact it was the 80's version of developmentally challenged and was the result of a major push of advocacy groups in the 60's 70's to change ICD-9 from idiot, imbecile and moronic. I guess the point is we can keep going back to the euphemism factory every couple of years or we can solve the root cause.

Which is like you said not generalizing accepting the fact people are born with differences and being respectful.

 

Not by medical professionals, but by everyday people. It gave them an excuse to treat disabled individuals poorly and inhumanely. That is what I was talking about. 

[South Side Fireworks Man]

2 hours ago, kwolf68 said:

Kopech is young, he comes from Texas, he maybe even fits the "redneck" stereotype, who knows. 

I find your use of the "r" word offensive.

[Jack Parkman]

19 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

It’s life.  To say that everyone should be forced to deal with “world poverty/hunger” or disease eradification before joining an organization like PETA makes zero sense.  

The reality is that unless you’re directly affected by an issue, it’s going to be a more passive concern.  Then, you become a parent and your 8 year old is hit by a drunk driver, MADD is born.

We could spend the rest of our lives studying why panda or even orca sanctuaries receive 10 or 100x as much as “human” causes...or you can run for office and try to change things in that way.

But to force everyone to join a cause...well, if you’re Christian, you’d feel the exact same way about anyone who didn’t give up their lives protesting abortion clinics, for example.

Human rights are important, no matter who it is. It shouldn't be reality. People have a duty to society to stand up for human rights injustices. I'm sorry. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. In my eyes if you do nothing to stand up for injustices, you're just as culpable in the process. I get that everyone doesn't have the time and money to do EVERYTHING that needs to be done, but if everyone picks one cause they're willing to fight for, that is better than doing nothing. To me, that does more to contribute to society than having a job does. 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Jack Parkman

[caulfield12]

3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Human rights are important, no matter who it is. It shouldn't be reality. People have a duty to society to stand up for human rights injustices. I'm sorry. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. 

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2018/08/world/great-barrier-reef/

Some would argue that the non-stop damage mankind does to our planet is even more catastrophic for future generations...

[Jack Parkman]

6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2018/08/world/great-barrier-reef/

Some would argue that the non-stop damage mankind does to our planet is even more catastrophic for future generations...

Climate change awareness and taking action upon it is part of human rights. The resulting issues from it are going to affect them in the future, so we better act accordingly. 

I'm almost to the point that we need to make what is known as "sensitivity training" a required class all four years of HS nationwide. Make the schoolday 1.5 hours longer for all I care. Whatever it takes to change cultural attitudes about marginalized groups. This way, we'll know who truly is a garbage human being. 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Jack Parkman

[South Side Fireworks Man]

2 hours ago, kwolf68 said:

Of course Texas is diverse, but there is still a very strong "white culture". 

Nothing wrong with that.

[wrathofhahn]

Just now, Jack Parkman said:

Not by medical professionals, but by everyday people. It gave them an excuse to treat disabled individuals poorly and inhumanely. That is what I was talking about. 

I sort of view it differently the term retard and before that moron, imbecile, feeble-minded, idiot were not an excuse to treat disabled individuals poorly but more of a tool.

As long as the intent is there what does it matter the tool? It's just as easy to say "special" "developmentally challenged" and use it in insult as it is retard.

I also think we as a society have to sort of learn the art of not giving a f again. Which seems sort of ass backwards posting on a forum but people seem to care way too much about other people feelings whether they are offended, hurt, or angry. They allow themselves to get triggered by random people online. Celebrities measure their self worth by random twitter followers and outrage mobs can take down careers and entire persons.

I was lucky to grow up in an era right before the internet age so I sort of saw what it was like before and after and honestly just from a purely healthy emotional standpoint people dealt with crap a whole of alot better before rather then after. I think for a lot of people it's too much I know for me it is. I got off twitter years ago for that reason. Got off facebook too.

[Jack Parkman]

14 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said:

I sort of view it differently the term retard and before that moron, imbecile, feeble-minded, idiot were not an excuse to treat disabled individuals poorly but more of a tool.

As long as the intent is there what does it matter the tool? It's just as easy to say "special" "developmentally challenged" and use it in insult as it is retard.

I also think we as a society have to sort of learn the art of not giving a f again. Which seems sort of ass backwards posting on a forum but people seem to care way too much about other people feelings whether they are offended, hurt, or angry. They allow themselves to get triggered by random people online. Celebrities measure their self worth by random twitter followers and outrage mobs can take down careers and entire persons.

I was lucky to grow up in an era right before the internet age so I sort of saw what it was like before and after and honestly just from a purely healthy emotional standpoint people dealt with crap a whole of alot better before rather then after. I think for a lot of people it's too much I know for me it is. I got off twitter years ago for that reason. Got off facebook too.

I think we need to not give a fuck about words too. I don't care about words, I care about your attitude, behavior and how you treat people who are different from yourself. As I struggle in adulthood, with both a physical disability and autism, I couldn't care less about what people say, what matters more is how they treat me. Do they actually care? If a manager, would they hire me if I was the best candidate for the job? As they say, actions speak louder than words.  I take words in stride personally. Twitter took off around the time I was finishing college, Facebook didn't exist as "a thing" when I was in HS, and MySpace(if you can remember that) was just becoming popular when I was a Senior in HS. I didn't even join my first message board until I was 18. I shudder to think what I would have posted online in HS. I think people need to lighten up about most things personally. There are things that are important, and there are things that aren't. What I don't want is people thinking that they can mistreat people that are different than they are just because of that alone. There is nothing that I want more than for a person to be judged on their character rather than their minority status. 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Jack Parkman

[3GamesToLove]

51 minutes ago, South Side Fireworks Man said:

Nothing wrong with that.

?

[southsider2k5]

Can we acknowledge that just because something happened in the past that doesn't make it OK today.  I just got done reading that one one point Thomas Jefferson's opinion was that the negro was somewhere below the white man, and somewhere above an ape.  Anyone else want to say that is OK because it was something that was accepted as truth at one point, even by the educated elite?  That doesn't make it OK to do that today, because we have become a bit more educated in 200+ years.

I am not sure why understanding that we should learn from these things is a bad thing.

[caulfield12]

37 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Can we acknowledge that just because something happened in the past that doesn't make it OK today.  I just got done reading that one one point Thomas Jefferson's opinion was that the negro was somewhere below the white man, and somewhere above an ape.  Anyone else want to say that is OK because it was something that was accepted as truth at one point, even by the educated elite?  That doesn't make it OK to do that today, because we have become a bit more educated in 200+ years.

I am not sure why understanding that we should learn from these things is a bad thing.

And one would think Jefferson did, since he had a relationship with Sally Hemings for nearly 45 years...

[ChiSox1917]

48 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Can we acknowledge that just because something happened in the past that doesn't make it OK today.  I just got done reading that one one point Thomas Jefferson's opinion was that the negro was somewhere below the white man, and somewhere above an ape.  Anyone else want to say that is OK because it was something that was accepted as truth at one point, even by the educated elite?  That doesn't make it OK to do that today, because we have become a bit more educated in 200+ years.

I am not sure why understanding that we should learn from these things is a bad thing.

Is Kopech claiming that blacks are inferior to whites or did he just use what is considered to be an offensive term in a manner that wasn't intended to offend anyone?

[ChiSox1917]

1 hour ago, 3GamesToLove said:

?

What do you have against "white culture"?  

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, ChiSox1917 said:

Is Kopech claiming that blacks are inferior to whites or did he just use what is considered to be an offensive term in a manner that wasn't intended to offend anyone?

Again we should be past this point as a society.  If you don't see that point,  you don't want to. 

[Jack Parkman]

9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Again we should be past this point as a society.  If you don't see that point,  you don't want to. 

We should be, but we're not. We had people in this country who hated Obama not because of his politics, but because of the color of his skin. Look no further than the man occupying the Oval Office. He's only there because of racism. He played that card, as did Reagan. Racism is part of US identity, until we start having really harsh penalties for it. Like ostracism. Make someone who believes crazy shit like that isolated and destitute. There are still people who won't let me in their fucking workplace because they believe that the Sandy Hook shooter was autistic and that autistic people are inherently violent, when the science says the opposite is true. People will believe anything they say on TV and don't use their critical thinking skills. If there is one thing I appreciate the most about how I was raised it was the belief that you should question everything. However, that didn't work too well when I questioned my folks about why I should do things. Most of the time I got "that is what is socially acceptable so just do it" hahaha

Edited August 25, 2018 by Jack Parkman

[Quin]

All right - lets get this thread back to Kopech specifically or its going to be moved to the Buster.

[ChiSox1917]

22 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Again we should be past this point as a society.  If you don't see that point,  you don't want to. 

If you don't see the difference between offensiveness and racism, then there's no point in even discussing this.  Racism = hatred.  Offensiveness does not necessarily require hatred to occur.