Dam8610 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 13 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: I'd prefer they just launch Avi and go for a 1 year stopgap in 2019. They don't even need a stopgap. Put Eloy in RF and let Palka/Delmonico play LF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 3 hours ago, soxfan2014 said: I have Machado pegged for the Yankees to play 3B and the Yanks dealing Andujar in a package for pitching. Long-term, no they wouldn't be able to keep all of Judge, Stanton, Machado but for controllable years of Judge I don't think they would be worried. Yes, Judge will get expensive but just like the Dodgers, they are resetting their luxury tax penalties this season so they likely plan on going over for at least a few years again. Don't think $ is a concern for NYY regarding a long term core of those 3...premature on Machado too, Philly and LAD are in on him too and maybe even CWS will be (unlikely) 3 hours ago, daggins said: This, but I also think they trade Andujar for a SP. They need a lot of help in that area. Maybe, but rather hold onto Rodon, Kopech, Cease, etc....Have a feeling NYY spends in FA on pitching and holds onto their young core, just like we should Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 13 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Here’s my offseason prediction: Sign Manny Machado to 10/$350M deal Sign J.A. Happ to 2/$30M deal Sign Daniel Murphy to 2/$23M deal Sign Leonys Martin to 1/$9M deal Martin is controlled through 2019. I highly doubt the Indians non-tender him. I'd pass on Happ. Murphy would be interesting as a 1B/DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I was realistically only interested on signing relief this off season but I think we have enough on the Farm to be honest, very possibly another quiet off season here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Signings: Machado 8 years / $270M AJ Pollock 3 years / $63M Matt Harvey 1 year / $8M Lineup: Pollock CF, Moncada 2B, Machado 3B, Abreu 1B, Eloy LF (3 weeks in; Delmonico holds spot until then), Garcia RF, Palka DH, Anderson SS, Narvaez C BN: Castillo, Leury, Engel, Yolmer Rotation: Rodon, Kopech, Giolito, Lopez and Harvey Bullpen: Burdi, Hamilton, Jones, Fry, Burr, Bummer and Stephens/Covey/Vieira/Ruiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I have to say, I'm willing to roll the dice on aging players (despite my skepticism and lots of evidence this won't work!) that I think will be reasonable value and shorter term. Sign Josh Donaldson - I'd give him the Edwin Encarnacion deal and hope it works. Sign Michael Brantley - (I have no idea if he can play RF, but that would be my plan). Sox really need to cut down on their massive amount of strikeouts. Brantley's equal BB:K rate and health in 2018 make him intriguing to me. I frankly want our W-S/Birmingham OFers to force our hand to come up, not be given a job Sign Dallas Keuchel - Keuchel will be expensive, but he seems like a pitcher that would jibe with our pitching staff philosophy and has post season cache. C - Castillo/Narvaez DH - A Garcia 1b - Abreu 2b - Moncada SS - Anderson 3b - Donaldson LF - Jimenez CF - Engel/L Garcia RF - Brantley SP - Keuchel/Rodon/Kopech/Giolito/Lopez RP - Fry, Burdi, Hamilton, Burr, Covey, Vet churn Total spend: 220million-230million 2019 additional salary: 60 million Target payroll: 110 mill? no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I know he's on a nice streak but I'm still surprised by the amount of Adam Engel I'm seeing penciled in at center field. I'm still far from sold on him as a starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: I know he's on a nice streak but I'm still surprised by the amount of Adam Engel I'm seeing penciled in at center field. I'm still far from sold on him as a starter It's engel/garcia and it's just an area that does not have a lot of options but has internal options you hope to come up. AJ Pollock is certainly a guy, but how much longer can he play center? Leury for life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I really don't see the Sox signing a major league free agent pitcher to much of a contract. I think we will be closer to the Miguel Gonzalez aisle, then we will the Kuechel one. I will throw out the names Drew Hutchison and Yovani Gallardo as wild guesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, bmags said: It's engel/garcia and it's just an area that does not have a lot of options but has internal options you hope to come up. AJ Pollock is certainly a guy, but how much longer can he play center? Leury for life. If Leury could stay healthy, we could talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 25 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I really don't see the Sox signing a major league free agent pitcher to much of a contract. I think we will be closer to the Miguel Gonzalez aisle, then we will the Kuechel one. I will throw out the names Drew Hutchison and Yovani Gallardo as wild guesses. What do those guys provide at this point that throwing a guy like Jordan Stephens, Jordan Guerrero, or Spencer Adams at the rotation spot wouldn't? Especially for a team that isn't going to be fully into compete mode in 2019? I'd rather see if one or two of those three can become a backend starter than waste $8-10 million on a bargain basement starter who is just as much of a risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 32 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I really don't see the Sox signing a major league free agent pitcher to much of a contract. I think we will be closer to the Miguel Gonzalez aisle, then we will the Kuechel one. I will throw out the names Drew Hutchison and Yovani Gallardo as wild guesses. If they are going to go that route, wouldn't they just re-sign Shields after his option is declined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoedairy Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I know the likelihood of these signings are all low but heres my plan: Sign Machado 10 years $325mil Sign Brantley 3 years $45mil Sign Charlie Morton 2 years $25mil Moncada (2B) Machado (3B) Jimenez (LF) Abreu (1B) Brantley (CF) A. Garcia (RF) Palka (DH) Narvaez (C) Anderson (SS) BN Castillo (C), Delmonico (LF), Sanchez (IF), Davidson (3B), L. Garcia (OF) SP Rodon, Kopech, Morton, Giolito, Lopez (Stephens/Adams in AAA) RP Burdi, Hamilton, Fry, Cedeno, Covey, Burr I'd make Avi/Delmonico and Davidson/Palka close to a straight platoon (Eloy in RF when Delmonico plays). Use Sanchez at SS more to rest Anderson against tough righties. Leury would unfortunately rarely play but you need a backup CF and he has a lot of valuable skills. Also you'd need a manager who has the ability to mix and match the lineup enough that everyone stays engaged (my vote is Vizquel). Obviously the 6 man bullpen is probably not realistic but there are always injuries which could open a spot for an additional reliever (Danish/Guerrero) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I don't think Brantley can play CF anymore. 2 minutes ago, joejoedairy said: I know the likelihood of these signings are all low but heres my plan: Sign Machado 10 years $325mil Sign Brantley 3 years $45mil Sign Charlie Morton 2 years $25mil Moncada (2B) Machado (3B) Jimenez (LF) Abreu (1B) Brantley (CF) A. Garcia (RF) Palka (DH) Narvaez (C) Anderson (SS) BN Castillo (C), Delmonico (LF), Sanchez (IF), Davidson (3B), L. Garcia (OF) SP Rodon, Kopech, Morton, Giolito, Lopez (Stephens/Adams in AAA) RP Burdi, Hamilton, Fry, Cedeno, Covey, Burr I'd make Avi/Delmonico and Davidson/Palka close to a straight platoon (Eloy in RF when Delmonico plays). Use Sanchez at SS more to rest Anderson against tough righties. Leury would unfortunately rarely play but you need a backup CF and he has a lot of valuable skills. Also you'd need a manager who has the ability to mix and match the lineup enough that everyone stays engaged (my vote is Vizquel). Obviously the 6 man bullpen is probably not realistic but there are always injuries which could open a spot for an additional reliever (Danish/Guerrero) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: What do those guys provide at this point that throwing a guy like Jordan Stephens, Jordan Guerrero, or Spencer Adams at the rotation spot wouldn't? Especially for a team that isn't going to be fully into compete mode in 2019? I'd rather see if one or two of those three can become a backend starter than waste $8-10 million on a bargain basement starter who is just as much of a risk. I don't believe the Sox see anything of value there. They completely left Guerrero exposed for the Rule 5, and he didn't really do much to prove them wrong. Stephens has done nothing at AAA to convince me he is ready for MLB in April. Spencer Adams might have a great era, but past that? 4 K's per 9 IP would get murders in MLB. His pure stuff doesn't do anything for me. Send them all back to Charlotte and let them see if they can change minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: If they are going to go that route, wouldn't they just re-sign Shields after his option is declined? I have said it in other places, but a 1/5 type of deal with Shields would not shock me in the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: Signings: Machado 8 years / $270M AJ Pollock 3 years / $63M Matt Harvey 1 year / $8M Lineup: Pollock CF, Moncada 2B, Machado 3B, Abreu 1B, Eloy LF (3 weeks in; Delmonico holds spot until then), Garcia RF, Palka DH, Anderson SS, Narvaez C BN: Castillo, Leury, Engel, Yolmer Rotation: Rodon, Kopech, Giolito, Lopez and Harvey Bullpen: Burdi, Hamilton, Jones, Fry, Burr, Bummer and Stephens/Covey/Vieira/Ruiz Pretty sure we'd need to pay Manny more than that Not interested in a 31 YO OFer when we have Avi and Eloy and maybe something in Engel with Luis Robert, Alex Call, and Luis Gonzalez almost up Matt Harvey deal can't hurt, the hope would be for him to eat innings until Cease is ready and then flip him but his ego can stay elsewhere (I wanted Clay Buchholz this past offseason) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I think Josh Donaldson and AJ Pollock are excellent fits for this team next year and I think/hope the Sox will pursue them. I think a SP like Keuchel/Corbin would be a good fit too, but I don't see the Sox shelling out for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buehrlesque said: I think Josh Donaldson and AJ Pollock are excellent fits for this team next year and I think/hope the Sox will pursue them. I think a SP like Keuchel/Corbin would be a good fit too, but I don't see the Sox shelling out for that. No, no, no, and...no Pass on all aging vets at this stage in the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, ChiSoxJon said: No, no, no, and...no Pass on all aging vets at this stage in the game Speaking only of Donaldson and Pollock — neither of those two will be blocking anyone at the major league level. The only cost is $$, and the Sox will have a lot to use for 2019, with no real added benefit of just banking it. Donaldson probably (hopefully) won't even cost a draft pick (if he's traded this week or the Jays don't extend a QO). To me, the risk level is low here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buehrlesque said: Speaking only of Donaldson and Pollock — neither of those two will be blocking anyone at the major league level. The only cost is $$, and the Sox will have a lot to use for 2019, with no real added benefit of just banking it. Donaldson probably (hopefully) won't even cost a draft pick (if he's traded this week or the Jays don't extend a QO). To me, the risk level is low here. For young stars like Machado or Harper, you definitely take that risk. This team has played it safe with Free Agency (outside Dunn and Abreu) for the past 10 playoff-less years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 All vets are aging. (got em) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoedairy Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Just now, bmags said: All vets are aging. (got em) Prospects too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Just now, TheTruth05 said: For young stars like Machado or Harper, you definitely take that risk. This team has played it safe with Free Agency (outside Dunn and Abreu) for the past 10 playoff-less years. Definitely. I'm sure the Sox will throw their hat in the ring, but I don't see any way they actually come away from either of those two though. Donaldson and Pollock aren't superstars, but they'll come at more reasonable prices on much shorter contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Just now, Buehrlesque said: Definitely. I'm sure the Sox will throw their hat in the ring, but I don't see any way they actually come away from either of those two though. Donaldson and Pollock aren't superstars, but they'll come at more reasonable prices on much shorter contracts. Or at very least exuberant prices on shorter contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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