Lillian Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: See the earlier post about the Sox offering a contract extension to Eloy already. They already did exactly this and apparently Jimenez's camp said no. I wasn't suggesting a conventional contract extension. I was referring to just that final year, in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, Lillian said: I wasn't suggesting a conventional contract extension. I was referring to just that final year, in question. Such an agreement would not be a smart move without it being signed in writing. If you want that sort of agreement, you have the framework of a contract extension and should just sign the deal. Realistically the first 3 years are super easy, as the ranges of pay are really narrow. It opens up a bit more in years 4-6, but it still governed by the restrictions of arbitration. Year 7 is where it really opens up as the player is giving up free agency. If they are agreed on year 7, the first 6 years are much easier to define, at that point you literally have an 7 year contract outlined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: See the earlier post about the Sox offering a contract extension to Eloy already. They already did exactly this and apparently Jimenez's camp said no. I wouldn't either. He has two good years in MLB his price tag goes up exponentially. Hell he has one good year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 It says at the end of the article that Heyman will be live on fancredsports with Jim Thome, the special assistant to Rick Hahn...wonder if they discuss this situation with Eloy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliusO1274 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, soxfan49 said: Black = African American. Eloy is from the Dominican Republic. He isn't "black." Does that mean there is no such thing as black people who are not America, not even in Africa? 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: You mean he is part African or just dark skinned? I am genuinely curious because I have no idea. I am always surprised how many are confused by this. Even many black Americans think blacks in Latin America are some distinctly different racial group. Blacks in Latin America are just black people raised in a hispanic culture, their ancestors are from Africa just like American blacks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, JuliusO1274 said: Does that mean there is no such thing as black people who are not America, not even in Africa? I am always surprised how many are confused by this. Even many black Americans think blacks in Latin America are some distinctly different racial group. Blacks in Latin America are just black people raised in a hispanic culture, their ancestors are from Africa just like American blacks. ah fuck it, not a politics thread. Edited August 30, 2018 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: I wouldn't either. He has two good years in MLB his price tag goes up exponentially. Hell he has one good year. So it's OK for Eloy to do what is in his best financial interests, but not the White Sox? I don't know what a grievance would do. What exactly would be the line. Does one hot week in AAA mean a team would have to call you up? Does it matter what the current roster is doing? I think it's pretty obvious what the White Sox are doing. And it's what most teams in their situation would do. The teams that wouldn't, are the teams looking for some instant box office bang, and will trade a guy like Eloy the second he starts making any money. Edited August 30, 2018 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: So it's OK for Eloy to do what is in his best financial interests, but not the White Sox? I don't think it's in their long term interests to piss him off, on and off the field. I've said numerous times that an event (any event) happening 7 years from the present should be heavily discounted in any current decision making process. There's too much that can happen -- injury, trades, CBA changes, etc, to plan for. The Sox, imo, are using rigid, outdated thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, JuliusO1274 said: Does that mean there is no such thing as black people who are not America, not even in Africa? I am always surprised how many are confused by this. Even many black Americans think blacks in Latin America are some distinctly different racial group. Blacks in Latin America are just black people raised in a hispanic culture, their ancestors are from Africa just like American blacks. It isn't confusing, I have no idea what Jimenez's background is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 That one year of control will bite us in the ass since he probably won't re-sign if he is a big time talent. 1 year is better than another 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I once had someone tell me about an interview with Minnie Minoso on a pre game show back when he was a player. He was leading the league in HBP, and the interviewer asked if he thought it was racial, Minnie replied with he wasn't black, he was Cuban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I think it is better business for the Sox to call him up on Saturday, and try to win some fucking games in September for a better pitch to Machado/Harper. Fuck the 7th year. If they can get either player by calling him up now, the enhancement of the window far exceeds the extra year. JMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I think it is better business for the Sox to call him up on Saturday, and try to win some fucking games in September for a better pitch to Machado/Harper. Fuck the 7th year. If they can get either player by calling him up now, the enhancement of the window far exceeds the extra year. JMO. Why would that possibly affect either of their decisions (Machado/Harper)? Is Jimenez (going under the assumption they actually sign one of the two) then going to agree to have his seventh year extended before he ever steps on an MLB field? Edited August 30, 2018 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I'm just on soxtalk for the race and ethnicity discussion. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Why would that affect either of their decisions? Because Eloy hitting in the majors rather than in AAA may make this team a lot more attractive to free agents who have concerns about how’ll competitive we’ll be next year. Edited August 30, 2018 by Chicago White Sox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, SleepyWhiteSox said: I'm just on soxtalk for the race and ethnicity discussion. I'm here for the Pippen gifs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Why would that possibly affect either of their decisions (Machado/Harper)? Is Jimenez (going under the assumption they actually sign one of the two) then going to agree to have his seventh year extended before he ever steps on an MLB field? It helps the pitch. If the Sox a) Call up Eloy b) he rakes and they win games then the pitch is much like the one the Cubs gave to Lester. It might work. It is worth the risk, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Because Eloy hitting in the majors rather than in AAA may make this team a lot more attractive to free agents who have concerns about how’ll competitive we’ll be next year. This x infinity Edited August 30, 2018 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, Jack Parkman said: This x1000 And if he hits .200? We lose the year as well as any chance at high impact fa signings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, reiks12 said: And if he hits .200? We lose the year as well as any chance at high impact fa signings? Worth the risk. I don't think Eloy isn't going to hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, reiks12 said: And if he hits .200? We lose the year as well as any chance at high impact fa signings? Then we get the period of him hitting .200 out of the way this fall and he comes out next spring and eats 3 pitchers for lunch. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 We should have called him up a month ago. If it is true the Sox approached him with a contract offer designed to secure the extra year while also calling him up this season, it would be proof positive of the Sox's motivations. I would be happy for the Sox to get sanctioned for this stuff because it's bad for the game and something has to be done to stop it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jake said: We should have called him up a month ago. If it is true the Sox approached him with a contract offer designed to secure the extra year while also calling him up this season, it would be proof positive of the Sox's motivations. I would be happy for the Sox to get sanctioned for this stuff because it's bad for the game and something has to be done to stop it. I don't think it would make me happy for the Sox to get sanctioned for this, but I kinda hope the harder the players hit on this now the more the owners will understand "we have to have a better way to do this" going into the next CBA. Maybe we can get some of these fights fought now, and have both sides ready to make a deal so we can avoid a strike over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoedairy Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I just hope this doesn't lead to the sox leaving Eloy down in AAA longer next season. Like they don't call him up until May to prove that it wasn't just about the service time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Because Eloy hitting in the majors rather than in AAA may make this team a lot more attractive to free agents who have concerns about how’ll competitive we’ll be next year. I have actually been thinking about this. The Kopech buzz has some of the baseball world talking. Bringing Eloy up would also help with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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