Dick Allen Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 He always struck me as a guy who probably had a better chance of having this happen than not due to his fascination with the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) I wish Michael Kopech a successful surgery and recovery and I'm glad he will be getting a ML salary during his recovery time. As a fan it sucks losing the extra year of control and sucks for the rebuild. But being a Sox fan for a long long time has told me to be more concerned with the individual who is hurt. It's his hopes and dreams that are on the line here , not mine .As a Sox fan of many years I expect things to go wrong. It's why I constantly remind everyone about injuries and flops. There's no need for outrage or crying over the rebuild. Good luck Michael Kopech. Edited September 7, 2018 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside mispelled Micahel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Crazy to me how a chiseled Kopech has torn his his whereas a 150 pound Sale is still going strong. That's baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 The biggest questions now should be how this impacts our offseason plan and if there is any way for us to get back some of that time that he is going to lose. I think any chance of us contending next year is probably gone now with some guys not taking the steps forward that we would have wanted and this leaving a spot in the top of the rotation open. I would not be surprised to see us sell off and try to push back our window a little further. Rodon looks great, but who knows if he will sign an extension and if we would even want to with how injured he has been. We should look what the landscape if like for him and weigh keeping him with the downside of another injury versus the risks of even more prospects. Abreu and Avi should probably be traded, but after their respective season I can't see that happening in the offseason, so we might have to go into next year with them and hope for a bounce back. If Castillo plays well this last month of the season he should attract some trade interest and he might be expendable with how good Narvaez has looked offensively and the catchers we have coming up through the system needing spots. Going into next year expecting to rebuild would also allow us to keep trotting Palka and Engel out there to see what they can become with even more major league experience. As for Kopech, assuming he is not healthy for all of next season, we may be able to justify sending him down to start 2020 so he can get back up to speed against lesser competition which would also give us a chance to gain an extra year of control which will make the pain of losing all of next year hurt less. If my math is right that would give us control through 2024 versus 2023. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Just now, SoxAce said: Crazy to me how a chiseled Kopech has torn his his whereas a 150 pound Sale is still going strong. That's baseball. Sale is just a freak of nature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, fathom said: Sale is just a freak of nature Which was always the risk in dealing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 At this point the only thing anyone can do is hope he fully recovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, footlongcomiskeydog said: The Cub were smart and did not rebuild mainly around pitching like the Sox. There is absolutely no guarantee that this rebuild turns into anything like the Cubs or Astros. Can we please get a mulligan on the Chris Sale trade? Not a chance. Sale has his issues too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Good lord people. I get this really really sucks and all, but these hot takes would embarrass Cubs fans. I mean even Donald Trump would think twice before hitting reply on a few of these. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 It's the risk you take when you choose to stockpile young pitching prospects. Bummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, GenericUserName said: The biggest questions now should be how this impacts our offseason plan and if there is any way for us to get back some of that time that he is going to lose. I think any chance of us contending next year is probably gone now with some guys not taking the steps forward that we would have wanted and this leaving a spot in the top of the rotation open. I would not be surprised to see us sell off and try to push back our window a little further. Rodon looks great, but who knows if he will sign an extension and if we would even want to with how injured he has been. We should look what the landscape if like for him and weigh keeping him with the downside of another injury versus the risks of even more prospects. Abreu and Avi should probably be traded, but after their respective season I can't see that happening in the offseason, so we might have to go into next year with them and hope for a bounce back. If Castillo plays well this last month of the season he should attract some trade interest and he might be expendable with how good Narvaez has looked offensively and the catchers we have coming up through the system needing spots. Going into next year expecting to rebuild would also allow us to keep trotting Palka and Engel out there to see what they can become with even more major league experience. As for Kopech, assuming he is not healthy for all of next season, we may be able to justify sending him down to start 2020 so he can get back up to speed against lesser competition which would also give us a chance to gain an extra year of control which will make the pain of losing all of next year hurt less. If my math is right that would give us control through 2024 versus 2023. How convienent for this front office. I'm tired of the damn excuses and losing baseball. I guess we got another two more years of tanking baseball to look forward to. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, GenericUserName said: The biggest questions now should be how this impacts our offseason plan and if there is any way for us to get back some of that time that he is going to lose. I think any chance of us contending next year is probably gone now with some guys not taking the steps forward that we would have wanted and this leaving a spot in the top of the rotation open. I would not be surprised to see us sell off and try to push back our window a little further. Rodon looks great, but who knows if he will sign an extension and if we would even want to with how injured he has been. We should look what the landscape if like for him and weigh keeping him with the downside of another injury versus the risks of even more prospects. Abreu and Avi should probably be traded, but after their respective season I can't see that happening in the offseason, so we might have to go into next year with them and hope for a bounce back. If Castillo plays well this last month of the season he should attract some trade interest and he might be expendable with how good Narvaez has looked offensively and the catchers we have coming up through the system needing spots. Going into next year expecting to rebuild would also allow us to keep trotting Palka and Engel out there to see what they can become with even more major league experience. As for Kopech, assuming he is not healthy for all of next season, we may be able to justify sending him down to start 2020 so he can get back up to speed against lesser competition which would also give us a chance to gain an extra year of control which will make the pain of losing all of next year hurt less. If my math is right that would give us control through 2024 versus 2023. I think the Sox can send him down in 2020 for a few weeks which would stop the service clock and the team can get the year back. that would be 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replacement Level Poster Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) I think they just wanted the best volume of high upside prospects at the time the December 16 deals were made regardless of position because the system had been so barren for years at that point. It just so happened the Nationals were prospect heavy with pitching and wanted to add Eaton. They did get 2 position prospects in the Sale trade. Edited September 7, 2018 by Replacement Level Poster Forgot to add quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Just now, LittleHurt05 said: It's the risk you take when you choose to stockpile young pitching prospects. Bummer. Yup. That's why you keep stockpiling arms. Just a horrible year injuries wise for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I think this probably started before he came up. I would bet he had some sort of tear every pitch he threw in the major leagues. His first star, he was throwing 95-96. As amped as he was, I would have figured several 100s in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Ughh...this is really disheartening. Seems like we can’t get anything positive to happen with young players in this franchise. I guess technicaly it really doesn’t change a ton in terms of overall team timeline, but still just sucks. I know the surgery has advanced a ton, but still no guarantees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, SoxAce said: Yup. That's why you keep stockpiling arms. Just a horrible year injuries wise for the Sox. Who would have thought Cease would be the reliable, healthy one of the main pitching prospects heading into season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: It's the risk you take when you choose to stockpile young pitching prospects. Bummer. This is why you STOCKPILE pitching prospects; and not have 6 or 7 and say everything's peachy. This is why you don't fritter talent and draft choices away. Who's next man up? Edited September 7, 2018 by GreenSox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, TheFutureIsNear said: Ughh...this is really disheartening. Seems like we can’t get anything positive to happen with young players in this franchise. I guess technicaly it really doesn’t change a ton in terms of overall team timeline, but still just sucks. I know the surgery has advanced a ton, but still no guarantees That’s the thing. Some guys have the surgery, sit out a year, and come back fine. Some wind up sucking, and for some, it’s the beginning of injury after injury. Hopefully he will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Baker said: I think the Sox can send him down in 2020 for a few weeks which would stop the service clock and the team can get the year back. that would be 2025. Check my math here to see if I'm wrong somewhere: 2018 - service year 1 2019 - service year 2 2020 - service year 2 - keep him down for ~1.5 months (this september + regular 2 weeks needed) and he won't have enough for a full year of service 2021 - service year 3 2022 - service year 4 2023 - service year 5 2024 - service year 6 Edited September 7, 2018 by GenericUserName Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 A promising 2nd half gets a cold shower today. Fuck it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, GreenSox said: This is why you STOCKPILE pitching prospects; and not have 6 or 7 and say everything's peachy. This is why you don't fritter talent nd draft choices away. Who's next man up? Or don't take relievers in the first round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replacement Level Poster Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, footlongcomiskeydog said: The Cub were smart and did not rebuild mainly around pitching like the Sox. There is absolutely no guarantee that this rebuild turns into anything like the Cubs or Astros. Can we please get a mulligan on the Chris Sale trade? 4 minutes ago, Replacement Level Poster said: I think they just wanted the best volume of high upside prospects at the time the December 16 deals were made regardless of position because the system had been so barren for years at that point. It just so happened the Nationals were prospect heavy with pitching and wanted to add Eaton. They did get 2 position prospects in the Sale trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, GenericUserName said: Check my math here to see if I'm wrong somewhere: 2018 - service year 1 2019 - service year 2 2020 - service year 2 - keep him down for ~1.5 months (this september + regular 2 weeks needed) and he won't have enough for a full year of service 2021 - service year 3 2022 - service year 4 2023 - service year 5 2024 - service year 6 No. I think 2018 doesn’t count towards a full year. 2019 would be his first service year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Good lord people. I get this really really sucks and all, but these hot takes would embarrass Cubs fans. I mean even Donald Trump would think twice before hitting reply on a few of these. Rodon Cease Dunning Lopez Giolito Adams Hansen Stephens Fulmer $$$ for free agents Healthy Kopech Drafted pitchers. Trump getting elected out? Good reasons for optimism in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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