southsider2k5 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 And it isn't even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 And water is wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And it isn't even close. Anyone for the automated strike zone? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I knew there was alot just by watching the games but had no idea it was that much, wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Baker said: Anyone for the automated strike zone? Hell no. The plate should swell within reason with two strikes. The unintended consequences of an automated strike zone would prove out to make the game less interesting and longer games...not shorter. Be careful what you wish for. Now if you want to get better umpires that know how to call balls and strikes better than others, I'm all for it. But the human factor of balls and strikes makes the game better. Replay is great for safe/out though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, flavum said: Hell no. The plate should swell within reason with two strikes. The unintended consequences of an automated strike zone would prove out to make the game less interesting and longer games...not shorter. Be careful what you wish for. What? Yes, the batter should expand his zone to protect the plate and not strike out. Are you saying the umps should expand the zone too? First of all, no way. Second, you could do that with robo umps too, but with perfect consistency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, gusguyman said: What? Yes, the batter should expand his zone to protect the plate and not strike out. Are you saying the umps should expand the zone too? First of all, no way. Second, you could do that with robo umps too, but with perfect consistency. With human error in play, hitters have to protect and swing more...and that's a good thing. If they go to an automated zone, the batter is going to swing less and guess more. Ok, walks may go up for some...but is that a good thing for the game? I don't think so. If walks are your thing, by all means, enjoy a more boring game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, flavum said: With human error in play, hitters have to protect and swing more...and that's a good thing. If they go to an automated zone, the batter is going to swing less and guess more. Ok, walks may go up for some...but is that a good thing for the game? I don't think so. If walks are your thing, by all means, enjoy a more boring game. Or it forces the pitcher to throw in the zone more, which allows more contact and runs. Plus the human error isn't limited to the umps - the batter still needs to expand the zone a little in case they are wrong about a borderline pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, gusguyman said: Or it forces the pitcher to throw in the zone more, which allows more contact and runs. Plus the human error isn't limited to the umps - the batter still needs to expand the zone a little in case they are wrong about a borderline pitch. That's another issue...would pitchers try to nip the outside corner with breaking pitches that are technically in the zone but the catcher receives it in a spot that would currently be called a ball? Again, I think the unintended consequences of the robo ump would drastically change the game for the worse. And not only would it change the game on the field...it's just less interesting. It's ok to be imperfect and have some nose-to-nose fights once in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 In order to have proper context. How may strikeouts looking does he have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 54 minutes ago, gusguyman said: What? Yes, the batter should expand his zone to protect the plate and not strike out. Are you saying the umps should expand the zone too? First of all, no way. Second, you could do that with robo umps too, but with perfect consistency. that's not clear yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesterday333 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 41 minutes ago, flavum said: That's another issue...would pitchers try to nip the outside corner with breaking pitches that are technically in the zone but the catcher receives it in a spot that would currently be called a ball? Again, I think the unintended consequences of the robo ump would drastically change the game for the worse. And not only would it change the game on the field...it's just less interesting. It's ok to be imperfect and have some nose-to-nose fights once in a while. I completely disagree. I am all for getting calls right and making the game more fair. I think if a pitcher has to throw a strike to get a strike out it increases offense. But players will adjust, just as they have to with different umps different zones. They will have to figure it out and I think hitting increases. Batters wont get walks based on reputation and pitchers wont get strike outs based on reputation, which both walk and strike outs are considered a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, bmags said: that's not clear yet. I'd have to imagine that if MLB made ball and strike calls robotic, they would make sure that the same exact system is being used for all counts, all teams, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 How does a computer map a perfect three dimensional zone at every stadium currently? How do they get the data Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 40 minutes ago, yesterday333 said: I completely disagree. I am all for getting calls right and making the game more fair. I think if a pitcher has to throw a strike to get a strike out it increases offense. But players will adjust, just as they have to with different umps different zones. They will have to figure it out and I think hitting increases. Batters wont get walks based on reputation and pitchers wont get strike outs based on reputation, which both walk and strike outs are considered a problem. FWIW, I don't think that reputation is likely the biggest cause here, not nearly compared to Moncada's approach and how it sets pitchers up to go for this type of strikeout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: FWIW, I don't think that reputation is likely the biggest cause here, not nearly compared to Moncada's approach and how it sets pitchers up to go for this type of strikeout. Yes, this is the adjustment that needs to be made currently by the hitters. I don't think the roboump would change much except more walks. Pitchers are still going to try to get the hitter's to chase pitches out of the zone for strike 3. If the hitters expand the zone they are creating more action. I don't see the pitchers going into the zone more for strikeouts as much as people think. They may some but few pitchers can really just put the ball over the plate and get away with it. The best pitchers can, but they do already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba phillips Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, yesterday333 said: I completely disagree. I am all for getting calls right and making the game more fair. I think if a pitcher has to throw a strike to get a strike out it increases offense. But players will adjust, just as they have to with different umps different zones. They will have to figure it out and I think hitting increases. Batters wont get walks based on reputation and pitchers wont get strike outs based on reputation, which both walk and strike outs are considered a problem. That's a load of crap---all umpires should have the same strike zone. Of course none of them follow the written guidelines: knee high to "letter" high and across the plate. The robo ump info should be used for grading umpire accuracy. Set the standards (90% accuracy?) and then dump the bad umps if they don't improve after a period of time. Edited September 12, 2018 by bubba phillips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, bubba phillips said: That's a load of crap---all umpires should have the same strike zone. Of course none of them follow the written guidelines: knee high to "letter" high and across the plate. The robo ump info should be used for grading umpire accuracy. Set the standards (90% accuracy?) and then dump the bad umps if they don't improve after a period of time. I'd agree except the umpires union has a lot of power, how else do you thinks stiffs like Joe West, C.V. Bucknor, Angel Hernandez keep their jobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skooch Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Harry Chappas said: In order to have proper context. How may strikeouts looking does he have? According to Statcast, of the five, Moncada has the second lowest % of looking-K's that are OOZ. SO K-swing K-look K-look-OOZ % K OOZ Moncada 196 124 72 49 68.06 Taylor 152 100 52 35 67.31 Judge 132 89 43 35 81.40 Chapman 119 67 52 36 69.23 Trout 99 55 44 36 81.82 Edited September 12, 2018 by skooch Mistakenly transposed OOZ K statistics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Jose Abreu said: I'd have to imagine that if MLB made ball and strike calls robotic, they would make sure that the same exact system is being used for all counts, all teams, etc Right, but the idea that there would be no errors is false. It would have less, but it too would have errors that may fall in line to a bias. THe technology isn't perfect yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 This is where this becomes usable information to me Of the 5 players his number only looks so high because of how many 2 strike pitches he takes. Judge is getting royally screwed as is Trout and potentially players who take less called strikes. The gross number of 49 seems really high but not when compared to others and then you don't know how many were borderline and how many were of the..."it's been a strike all day" variety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: This is where this becomes usable information to me Of the 5 players his number only looks so high because of how many 2 strike pitches he takes. Judge is getting royally screwed as is Trout and potentially players who take less called strikes. The gross number of 49 seems really high but not when compared to others and then you don't know how many were borderline and how many were of the..."it's been a strike all day" variety. And that's where watching the game is essential. We're absolutely in the double digits of the "ok, that pitch wasn't even close and is called a strike 0-1% of the time" kind of called third strike. The majority of those 49 (50 after last night) are probably borderline/usually called a strike by the umpire, but I'd say that at least 15 of them were just awful, awful calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, bmags said: Right, but the idea that there would be no errors is false. It would have less, but it too would have errors that may fall in line to a bias. THe technology isn't perfect yet. Maybe a situation where you have booth umpires who watch the video live combined with the analytics and call the ball/strike that way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: And it isn't even close. Literally just correcting this would change his slashline to .247/.387/.431 with a 18.7% BB rate and a 25.0% K rate. In case anyone was wondering how badly the umps have screwed Moncada over this season, there's your answer. Edited September 12, 2018 by Dam8610 Originally miscalculated OBP 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) Do these stats go the other way too where it shows how many times ball 4 should have been strike 3? Or any ball called that should’ve been strike 3? Edited September 12, 2018 by flavum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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