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Adding Thor (with limited years remaining before FA) to the ticking time bombs we have in Rodon, Giolito, Kopech and Cease seems to be the definition of insanity, not only because of the talent we'd have to give up...but, most importantly, the likelihood he'd either get injured, or that Cooper would have him throwing at a more comfortable 94-96.

If we're doing that, might as well trade even more for deGrom, sign Harper and roll the dice.

Odds are we'd still end up being short unless we spent another $150 million (over two years) on free agents to supplement the line-up and bullpen.

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13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Adding Thor (with limited years remaining before FA) to the ticking time bombs we have in Rodon, Giolito, Kopech and Cease seems to be the definition of insanity, not only because of the talent we'd have to give up...but, most importantly, the likelihood he'd either get injured, or that Cooper would have him throwing at a more comfortable 94-96.

If we're doing that, might as well trade even more for deGrom, sign Harper and roll the dice.

Odds are we'd still end up being short unless we spent another $150 million (over two years) on free agents to supplement the line-up and bullpen.

Not a free agent until after 2022.  

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54 minutes ago, turnin' two said:

Not a free agent until after 2022.  

I guess I was confusing him with deGrom in terms of remaining contract years.

Well, if we were willing to trade Robert, Cease and Madrigal...something like that would be the asking price.  I'm assuming they would ask for Jimenez first, and Hahn would nix that idea.

With pitching longevity being so up in the air these days, trading "plus" position players for pitching seems a recipe for trouble, especially in the position the White Sox are in, trying to lock in their starting line-up of the future in 2020.

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51 minutes ago, turnin' two said:

Not a free agent until after 2022.  

 

Just now, caulfield12 said:

I guess I was confusing him with deGrom in terms of remaining contract years.

Well, if we were willing to trade Robert, Cease and Madrigal...something like that would be the asking price.  I'm assuming they would ask for Jimenez first, and Hahn would nix that idea.

With pitching longevity being so up in the air these days, trading "plus" position players for pitching seems a recipe for trouble, especially in the position the White Sox are in, trying to lock in their starting line-up of the future in 2020.

It's actually after 2021. Baseball Reference lists 2022 which means he's a free agent during the off-season of 21/22. As a reference, look up a current free agent and he is listed as free agent eligible in 2019 (just checked Bryce Harper as an example).

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1 hour ago, soxfan2014 said:

 

 

It's actually after 2021. Baseball Reference lists 2022 which means he's a free agent during the off-season of 21/22. As a reference, look up a current free agent and he is listed as free agent eligible in 2019 (just checked Bryce Harper as an example).

So basically this move makes no sense (at all) unless we're signing a whale.

One year of competitive window for a huge chunk of our farm system that hasn't yet defined itself is the definition of sabotaging the rebuild.  Not to mention we're already discussing trading a pitcher, Rodon, who's under the exact same amount of control and who still offers significant upside (although not like Thor's).

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1 hour ago, soxfan49 said:

Olney says the consensus between execs is that Machado goes to PHI and Harper ends up back with the Nats

I kind of had a feeling that he could go back to the Nats since he doesn't seem to have a big market. Especially with their rumored extension of 10 years,$300m. Once you're willing to go that much, you might as well offer a bit extra AAV per year with another year or two added to the deal. Good starting point for negotiations for sure.

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8 minutes ago, Greek-konerko said:

Then why he rejected nats 10 year large offer? Thought would get more $$$$and years in free agency? Diubt he returns to d. c

Because accepting any offer a few days before FA is idiotic for a player of Harper's caliber. 

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Yes you have to figure it’s a  lock the Sox will agree to a contract 5 or 6 times the size of the biggest contract they have ever handed out. And agree to that contract with one Scott Boras, because who doesn’t want to play for a team coming off a 100 loss season, with 6 losing seasons in a row, that is virtually ignored in its own city.

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2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Yes you have to figure it’s a  lock the Sox will agree to a contract 5 or 6 times the size of the biggest contract they have ever handed out. And agree to that contract with one Scott Boras, because who doesn’t want to play for a team coming off a 100 loss season, with 6 losing seasons in a row, that is virtually ignored in its own city.

That's the spirit!

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2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Yes you have to figure it’s a  lock the Sox will agree to a contract 5 or 6 times the size of the biggest contract they have ever handed out. And agree to that contract with one Scott Boras, because who doesn’t want to play for a team coming off a 100 loss season, with 6 losing seasons in a row, that is virtually ignored in its own city.

If Hahn lands one of these two fish so to speak, it will be one of the all-time great FA sell jobs to a player. 

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