hi8is Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 minute ago, steveno89 said: Figure Brantley gets 3/45, Donaldson 2/42 and Allen 2/16? How much more would you expect them to add after spending $44 million per year on those guys? Another 50m per Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just now, hi8is said: Another 50m per 21 Donaldson + 15 Brantley + 8 Allen = $44? Or did I screw something up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) 1. Moncada 2B 2. Brantley RF 3. Donaldson 3B 4. Abreu 1B 5. Jimenez LF 6. Palka DH 7. Narvaez/Castillo C 8. Anderson SS 9. Engel CF That lineup wouldn't be terrible. Edited November 8, 2018 by Whitesox27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just now, steveno89 said: 21 Donaldson + 15 Brantley + 8 Allen = $44? Or did I screw something up? 44 + 50 = 94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just now, Whitesox27 said: 1. Moncada 2B 2. Brantley RF 3. Donaldson 3B 4. Abreu 1B 5. Jimenez LF Palka DH Narvaez/Castillo C Anderson C Engel CF That lineup wouldn't be terrible. Depends what Donaldson you are getting and if Brantley can stay healthy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just now, hi8is said: 44 + 50 = 94 50 for Harper? haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just now, steveno89 said: 50 for Harper? haha Not my line of work but they have enough payrol flexibility to do whatever they want. It’s unprecedented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Figure Brantley gets 3/45, Donaldson 2/42 and Allen 2/16? How much more would you expect them to add after spending $44 million per year on those guys? I don't think Donaldson gets close to that. Depends on how hihg theyre willing to go on the payroll. If its an all in year maybe $150M payroll . How much room does that leave ? Another $90M ? That should be enough room for Machado , a starting pitcher like Happ ,another reliever . You can skip Donaldson if you like and have Machado at 3rd or keep Donaldson play Machado at SS and try Timmy in CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, steveno89 said: No way I am paying a 1B over $300 million^ Why not ? He not so great in the OF and the main thing is his bat anyway. Saves his legs a lot of wear and tear. His bat OBP etc . I'd want to do everything I can to see another 1.100 OPS out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I don't think Donaldson gets close to that. Depends on how hihg theyre willing to go on the payroll. If its an all in year maybe $150M payroll . How much room does that leave ? Another $90M ? That should be enough room for Machado , a starting pitcher like Happ ,another reliever . You can skip Donaldson if you like and have Machado at 3rd or keep Donaldson play Machado at SS and try Timmy in CF. I think it's too soon for the Sox to go all in on 2019. Remember we lost 100 games in 2018 and have a long way to go towards fielding a competitive roster. We need starting pitching, bullpen help, and offense. I'd rather skip the stopgap guys like Brantley, unless they feel our OF prospects won't get the job done down the line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Its not my money!! Sign all the free agents!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just now, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Why not ? He not so great in the OF and the main thing is his bat anyway. Saves his legs a lot of wear and tear. His bat OBP etc . I'd want to do everything I can to see another 1.100 OPS out of him. I wouldn't due to positional value. 1B/DH types are not all that difficult to find or to sign as a free agent for much less than Harper will command. Maybe Harper converts to 1B/DH down the line, but I'd hope he can handle the outfield until age 30? With his agent being Boras, I can't really picture Harper signing with the White Sox right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Brantley is about what I would expect. Could be credible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I think it's too soon for the Sox to go all in on 2019. Remember we lost 100 games in 2018 and have a long way to go towards fielding a competitive roster. We need starting pitching, bullpen help, and offense. I'd rather skip the stopgap guys like Brantley, unless they feel our OF prospects won't get the job done down the line? God help this rebuild if they don’t think the OF prospects can help down the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I think it's too soon for the Sox to go all in on 2019. Remember we lost 100 games in 2018 and have a long way to go towards fielding a competitive roster. We need starting pitching, bullpen help, and offense. I'd rather skip the stopgap guys like Brantley, unless they feel our OF prospects won't get the job done down the line? Probably but I'm dreaming big based on all the rumors remember ? I believe them all . since it's more fun that way. Besides even looking at it objectively if the Sox really are seriousl about Machado then that advances the timetable on the rebuild . It also lines up with the new TV deal and they have the payroll to do it. SO me dreaming is also based on the cold hard facts. I'm just speculating on all the pieces and how they can be moved around. Brantley is a very solid piece when he's healthy. Edited November 8, 2018 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just now, fathom said: God help this rebuild if they don’t think the OF prospects can help down the line. Their plan could be short term help a la Donaldson/Brantley + FA starter + FA relief, but all signed to relatively short deals to not block prospects and give long term financial flexibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Their plan could be short term help a la Donaldson/Brantley + FA starter + FA relief, but all signed to relatively short deals to not block prospects and give long term financial flexibility? That goes completely against what Hahn has said what the goal is, which is to find core players. Even if you add the 4 you suggest, is that even a .500 team? Edited November 8, 2018 by fathom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I wouldn't due to positional value. 1B/DH types are not all that difficult to find or to sign as a free agent for much less than Harper will command. Maybe Harper converts to 1B/DH down the line, but I'd hope he can handle the outfield until age 30? With his agent being Boras, I can't really picture Harper signing with the White Sox right now If you can get him I'm not going to quibble over his supposed diminished value playing 1st base I don't care if he gets the majority of his WAR from his bat. I prefer it. I think we get too hung up on value when all we should want is the best way to maximize how he hits. 1B/DH might not be all that difficult to find but 1.100 OPS sure is. Edited November 8, 2018 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just now, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Probably but I'm dreaming big based on all the rumors remember ? I believe them all . since it's more fun that way. Besides even looking at it objectively if the Sox really are seriously about Machado then that advances the timetable on the rebuild . It also lines up with the new TV deal and they have the payroll to do it. SO me dreaming is also based on the cold hard facts. I'm just speculating on all the pieces and how they can be moved around. Brantley is a very solid piece when he's healthy. Only issue with signing Machado, assuming he would play 3B, is where do you fit Moncada and Madrigal into the lineup in 2020? 4 minutes ago, fathom said: That goes completely against what Hahn has said what the goal is, which is to find core players. Even if you add the 4 you suggest, is that even a .500 team? No, I still do not know if we would be a .500 team. I really hope the Sox don't try for some catch lightning in a bottle crap and stick to rebuilding the right way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: If you can get him I'm not going to quibble over his supposed diminished value playing 1st base I don't care if he gets the majority of his WAR from his bat. I prefer it.\I think we get too hung up on value when all we should want his the best way to maximize how he hits. 1B/DH might be all that difficult to find but 1.100 OPS sure is. Harper was nowhere near a 1.100 OPS in 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, fathom said: God help this rebuild if they don’t think the OF prospects can help down the line. They can help . Maybe you get Harper or Machado and they come with opt outs in year 3 . We will sure have an idea who amongst the OF er in the minors who can play and who can't. If the opt out last longer then you trade some you keep some and if you know they (Harper/Machado) will opt out then you see who wants them at the deadline and refresh your minor league talent and keep the window open longer. Edited November 8, 2018 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 minute ago, steveno89 said: Only issue with signing Machado, assuming he would play 3B, is where do you fit Moncada and Madrigal into the lineup in 2020? Come on man. You don't worry about that kind of issue until that point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I don't get why Cleveland did not give Brantley a QO. Of course, I said the same thing when Rockies did not offer it to LeMehieu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, fathom said: That goes completely against what Hahn has said what the goal is, which is to find core players. Even if you add the 4 you suggest, is that even a .500 team? Plans change if you land a Harper/Machado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Harper was nowhere near a 1.100 OPS in 2018 I know that . I'm talking about getting him back to what he did when he was 22 or even what he did when he was 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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