southsider2k5 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Was 1B really that bad in the AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I love Jose Abreu. Cheers to you, Jose. If Greg had his way, you'd be a White Sox til you are 37, keeping you around as long as Paulie. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Sorry Ron 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, fathom said: Sorry Ron Was just about to post this. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) What a bum! Any sane front office would non tender him! Seriously though, congrats to Jose. Great hitter and seems like a class dude all the way around. A perfect mentor for the kids on this team. Edited November 9, 2018 by turnin' two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Congrats!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1b was terrible in the AL this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Wow I didn't realize how bad 1B was in the AL this year. Jose lucked out. Congrats though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 58 minutes ago, Hot FiRe said: Wow I didn't realize how bad 1B was in the AL this year. Jose lucked out. Congrats though Seems like you don't realize a whole lot of things. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Jose, Jose .Jose, Jose Jose , Jose Now trade him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 7:18 AM, Hot FiRe said: Wow I didn't realize how bad 1B was in the AL this year. Jose lucked out. Congrats though Jose wins MVP next year "Wow the AL was so bad. Non-tender in the NL." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 7:16 AM, turnin' two said: Seems like you don't realize a whole lot of things. Let me know if you have any extra of those rose colored glasses you put on when evaluating Abreu. It must be nice to envision Jose as this perennial MVP type player the way you and others do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Hot FiRe said: Let me know if you have any extra of those rose colored glasses you put on when evaluating Abreu. It must be nice to envision Jose as this perennial MVP type player the way you and others do. My glasses must have an extra tinge of rose, because what I see with this Silver Slugger over his five years now with the Sox is a 162 game average featuring a .295 batting average, 32 homers, 107 RBIs, 39 doubles, and an .869 OPS. Only one year, this one, failing to reach 25+ homeruns and 100+ RBIs, and that due to injury. If you can’t appreciate Jose Abreu as a very good baseball player, well then, I really don’t know what to tell you, other than the numbers speak for themselves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Hot FiRe said: Let me know if you have any extra of those rose colored glasses you put on when evaluating Abreu. It must be nice to envision Jose as this perennial MVP type player the way you and others do. Hot Fire, I love you in a message board kinda way, but what about Abreu's stats the last four years (last season was his outlier) upset you? He's a stud IMO. By anybody's standards he should be considered a B or B-plus on an ABCDF scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Hot FiRe said: Let me know if you have any extra of those rose colored glasses you put on when evaluating Abreu. It must be nice to envision Jose as this perennial MVP type player the way you and others do. Maybe your problem is you expect him to be an MVP. He doesn't need to be. Just a really good hitter. That's what he is, and has always been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ron883 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Jose Abreu said: This would be a pleasant change of pace. He usually plays like garbage at the beginning of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 6:10 PM, greg775 said: Hot Fire, I love you in a message board kinda way, but what about Abreu's stats the last four years (last season was his outlier) upset you? He's a stud IMO. By anybody's standards he should be considered a B or B-plus on an ABCDF scale. So a stud is a B-? What's an A- or A? A mega stud? People just overrate him and get personally offended if you criticize him in any way. He is a solid, above average hitter who can't field his position for squat and doesn't hit when it matters. He is a tremendous clubhouse influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Hot FiRe said: So a stud is a B-? What's an A- or A? A mega stud? People just overrate him and get personally offended if you criticize him in any way. He is a solid, above average hitter who can't field his position for squat and doesn't hit when it matters. He is a tremendous clubhouse influence. Nobody is offended, we're just pointing out that what you're saying is demonstrably untrue. Yes, he is a solid hitter. Yes, he is a poor defender. Yes, he is a good clubhouse guy. But "he doesn't hit when it matters" is just flat out wrong. His career OPS by leverage is remarkably consistent. His month by month career splits show that he is an above average hitter in every month of the season. You saying he can't hit "when it matters" is just the manifestation of some weird bias against him. Edited November 14, 2018 by Jose Abreu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Nobody is offended, we're just pointing out that what you're saying is demonstrably untrue. Yes, he is a solid hitter. Yes, he is a poor defender. Yes, he is a good clubhouse guy. But "he doesn't hit when it matters" is just flat out wrong. His career OPS by leverage is remarkably consistent. His month by month career splits show that he is an above average hitter in every month of the season. You saying he can't hit "when it matters" is just the manifestation of some weird bias against him. To be fair, he’s been pretty awful in high leverage situations during his Sox career according to fangraphs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, fathom said: To be fair, he’s been pretty awful in high leverage situations during his Sox career according to fangraphs What does Fangraphs define as high leverage? What I see on bbref is a career .882 OPS in low leverage, .855 in medium leverage, and .862 in high leverage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Hot FiRe said: So a stud is a B-? What's an A- or A? A mega stud? People just overrate him and get personally offended if you criticize him in any way. He is a solid, above average hitter who can't field his position for squat and doesn't hit when it matters. He is a tremendous clubhouse influence. That's a fair post. I didn't know you were willing to praise him much at all. I'd just like to see him play with Eloy and some of the others when we become contenders. I'd rather have he and Avi be our veteran presences than some guys from other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 11 hours ago, greg775 said: That's a fair post. I didn't know you were willing to praise him much at all. I'd just like to see him play with Eloy and some of the others when we become contenders. I'd rather have he and Avi be our veteran presences than some guys from other teams. Doesn't seem like that will be Avi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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