Jose Abreu Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) https://theathletic.com/646072/2018/11/10/rosenthal-astros-had-trade-in-place-for-bryce-harper-in-july-but-nats-ownership-said-no/ Quote After learning they could not land Harper, the Astros put together another trade that would have sent right-hander Francis Martes to the Chicago White Sox for outfielder Avisaíl García, sources said. That deal failed to come to fruition when the Astros expressed concern over the condition of García’s right knee. Edited November 10, 2018 by Jose Abreu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, Jose Abreu said: https://theathletic.com/646072/2018/11/10/rosenthal-astros-had-trade-in-place-for-bryce-harper-in-july-but-nats-ownership-said-no/ That stings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Can't get Harper so might as well get Avi lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 He had TJS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, fathom said: He had TJS On August 15th- in the article, Rosenthal states that we were aware of his condition at the time of the discussions. Guess that means we would've done it anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said: On August 15th- in the article, Rosenthal states that we were aware of his condition at the time of the discussions. Guess that means we would've done it anyway? Yeah probably. Which would have been fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 This sort of pokes a hole in the generally accepted idea here that Garcia has no trade value. Which I believed as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: This sort of pokes a hole in the generally accepted idea here that Garcia has no trade value. Which I believed as well. I mean, it never went through for a reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Damn, that would have been an awesome deal in retrospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Will they do it now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: Will they do it now? I'm sure they would still be concerned about his knee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: I'm sure they would still be concerned about his knee. Avi got his knee operated on, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: I'm sure they would still be concerned about his knee. Wouldn't we be concerned about Martes' elbow too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Wouldn't we be concerned about Martes' elbow too? Yea really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 If I’m the Astros I’m probably not doing that deal right now. You could probably get Avi for less money and with no prospect return in 45 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 This blows. Meh. TIFWIW and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I'd still gladly do it even with the tj surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 20 hours ago, Jose Abreu said: This sort of pokes a hole in the generally accepted idea here that Garcia has no trade value. Which I believed as well. Blows my theory. That is the first time I have seen a name attached to Avi, though with TJS attached to Martes, that makes his value an interesting debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I think that this board continues to under value Avi. It will be interesting to see what kind of year he has, after his recent knee surgery. Many here are ready to non-tender him. Remember that this is a guy who hit .330 in 2017 and was hitting home runs at a rate, last year, which would have produced 30 round trippers, in an entire season. He did that while hobbled with hamstring and knee problems. It is not unreasonable to think that he might hit around .300 with 25 to 30 homers, if he can stay healthy. That would make him one of the most productive offensive players, on our roster. It certainly does not suggest that he is a candidate to be non-tendered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lillian said: I think that this board continues to under value Avi. It will be interesting to see what kind of year he has, after his recent knee surgery. Many here are ready to non-tender him. Remember that this is a guy who hit .330 in 2017 and was hitting home runs at a rate, last year, which would have produced 30 round trippers, in an entire season. He did that while hobbled with hamstring and knee problems. It is not unreasonable to think that he might hit around .300 with 25 to 30 homers, if he can stay healthy. That would make him one of the most productive offensive players, on our roster. It certainly does not suggest that he is a candidate to be non-tendered. HUGE “if” at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhock Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) The unknowable that I'm left pondering is: if a sore-kneed Avi was worth one TJS-needed pitching prospect, what was Avi's (presumably) higher trade worth in the preceding offseason? And if it was indeed a higher return, why didn't the team pull the trigger, if they were willing to do so when the return was a single injured prospect later on? Edited November 11, 2018 by Hamhock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hamhock said: The unknowable that I'm left pondering is: if a sore-kneed Avi was worth one TJS-needed pitching prospect, what was Avi's (presumably) higher trade worth in the preceding offseason? And if it was indeed a higher return, why didn't the team pull the trigger, if they were willing to do so when the return was a single injured prospect later on? Ooh, this is a good question. This was certainly more than I thought he was worth, even if martes has not shown much yet and is injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Let's hope they reconnect on a trade talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, Lillian said: I think that this board continues to under value Avi. It will be interesting to see what kind of year he has, after his recent knee surgery. Many here are ready to non-tender him. Remember that this is a guy who hit .330 in 2017 and was hitting home runs at a rate, last year, which would have produced 30 round trippers, in an entire season. He did that while hobbled with hamstring and knee problems. It is not unreasonable to think that he might hit around .300 with 25 to 30 homers, if he can stay healthy. That would make him one of the most productive offensive players, on our roster. It certainly does not suggest that he is a candidate to be non-tendered. Same argument I've put forth for months and being shot down. But hey baseball debate is always fun. If Avi gets non tendered you could actually non tender Delmonico, Cordell, Tilson, Leury, Davidson, Engel all who have either been injured or never had the kind of season Avi has while being mostly the same age or a year younger, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Too bad. But tip of the cap to the Sox for trying to make that move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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