Dick Allen Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 2 hours ago, turnin' two said: Gee, thanks mister. I totally didn't understand that super complex scenario. That still isn't remotely my point. Yeah. He has since had surgery. But how is leaking that another team backed out of a deal to acquire him because of health concerns going to help his trade value? How would it make a difference either way? It is a non issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Should find out this week what's going to happen with avi. Non tender deadline is Nov. 30 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 If they tender him a contract, wouldn't the Sox owe him like less than half of his salary if he is cut by the end of Spring Training? I remember they did that with Tank and Lawrie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: If they tender him a contract, wouldn't the Sox owe him like less than half of his salary if he is cut by the end of Spring Training? I remember they did that with Tank and Lawrie. 20/25% seems right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skooch Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Players on arbitration contracts who are cut on or before the 16th day of Spring Training are owed 30 days' termination pay (based on the prorated version of his agreed-upon arbitration salary). A player cut between the 16th day and the end of Spring Training is owed 45 days' termination pay (based on the prorated version of his agreed-upon arbitration salary). The arbitration salary becomes guaranteed if the player is on the 25-man roster when the season begins. Non guaranteed contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 They wouldn’t cut him in spring training. I am guessing he either agrees to a contract significantly lower than his arb figure or he gets non tendered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted November 28, 2018 Author Share Posted November 28, 2018 Merk throwing it out there that he really could be non-tendered...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Sleepy Harold said: Merk throwing it out there that he really could be non-tendered...? Jinx lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted November 28, 2018 Author Share Posted November 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, aeichhor said: Jinx lol We're right on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Avi Garcia is the Carlos Lee of this era. Some team will give him a ton of cash and regret it. I hope it's not us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Again, referring back to guys like Cron being cut, I can't see Avi being tendered either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Welcome to the White Sox Bryce Harper! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: Avi Garcia is the Carlos Lee of this era. Some team will give him a ton of cash and regret it. I hope it's not us. That's a bold statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: Avi Garcia is the Carlos Lee of this era. Some team will give him a ton of cash and regret it. I hope it's not us. I actually think its quite the opposite. No one is going to give Avi a bunch of cash. If the Sox non-tender him, he'll be looking a one year deal in the $3-5M range. If he sucks again in 2019, he could be dangerously close to out of the league. That being said, he could blow up Jose Bautista style and make whatever team give him that $3-5M very happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Just now, ChiSox59 said: I actually think its quite the opposite. No one is going to give Avi a bunch of cash. If the Sox non-tender him, he'll be looking a one year deal in the $3-5M range. If he sucks again in 2019, he could be dangerously close to out of the league. That being said, he could blow up Jose Bautista style and make whatever team give him that $3-5M very happy. This. In this day and age, a guy with Avi's skill set is the opposite of in demand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 haha I guess that is a stretch. I just meant in terms of how someone will overvalue him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Just now, Greg Hibbard said: haha I guess that is a stretch. I just meant in terms of how someone will overvalue him. I really see Avi getting something like a 1/4 or 1/5 type of offer to play out his arb year. He can't play defense. He has no OBP. He can't stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 On the other hand, what's the risk? Sign him, and if he hits, be quick to the party and move him in June. And if he doesn't hit, release him in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 minute ago, GreenSox said: On the other hand, what's the risk? Sign him, and if he hits, be quick to the party and move him in June. And if he doesn't hit, release him in June. Exactly. If you release him, get ready for some angst when a Central team signs him. He'd be perfect for the Royals and that means 19 games vs. Avi. Keep him, see how he does, then react. If we're not winning this year anyway give greg one of his fave players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 minute ago, GreenSox said: On the other hand, what's the risk? Sign him, and if he hits, be quick to the party and move him in June. And if he doesn't hit, release him in June. Yeah if they let him go, better be because they’re bringing in someone on a multi-year deal and not just creating at bats for Delmonico, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 1 minute ago, greg775 said: Exactly. If you release him, get ready for some angst when a Central team signs him. He'd be perfect for the Royals and that means 19 games vs. Avi. Keep him, see how he does, then react. If we're not winning this year anyway give greg one of his fave players. Good luck to him playing in that spacious outfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 1 hour ago, fathom said: Good luck to him playing in that spacious outfield Yeah, he might have some problems in rf, but their outfield is weak anyway. He might hit and if we're ever going to start dominating the Central we have to somehow learn how to dominate Central teams and not go .500 at best against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) Avi has some talent, and he plays hard, but except for 2017, he has been a replacement level player. There is a slight chance he turns into a JD Martinez sized mistake, but it is time to say good bye, and I have been one of his biggest supporters. But like fathom said, replace him with something that may be useful. Not the rebuild position fillers. Edited November 29, 2018 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Avi has some talent, and he plays hard, but except for 2017, he has been a replacement level player. There is a slight chance he turns into a JD Martinez sized mistake, but it is time to say good bye, and I have been one of his biggest supporters. But like fathom said, replace him with something that may be useful. Not the rebuild position fillers. Realistically, Eloy is taking Avis spot. But yah, another major league caliber OF would be ideal. Avi and Eloy in the corners would be....interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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