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Sox acquire Alex Colome For Narvaez


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40 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

 

 If there is one thing I trust Hahn with it's selling high on guys that are reclamation projects.    Omar had a nice season offensively but now that the book is out on him he's going to see a lot more early fastballs and good luck if he can make an adjustment to get the bat off his shoulder earlier in counts.

Plus he's the worst defensive catcher I think many of us long time fans have seen at the MLB level.  Forget about framing, he can't even give a steady target to the pitcher he is constantly shifting his target during the windup.  

Also an underrated point.

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8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

This is where I am.  Not thrilled with the return, OK with the idea of selling high on Omar.  Last season felt fluke-ish to me, without any real proof to it.  I am OK with selling him now, just not sure about what we got back.  Though as I said, the Sox are the ultimate pump and dump when it comes to relievers.

Yeah the more it’s marinating, the more I’m okay with it. Narvaez is a useful piece, but I’ve said before I’d rather have a defensive specialist with our rookie staff than an bat-only catcher. And while the bat is useful, it’s not likely to be fantastic.

But yeah, colome? I guess if they move him, he’s far more likely to net some talent with upside than Narvaez himself would have been.  

I guess it’s just that we talk about how important it is to give fringe guys a chance to develop during the lean years, and it seems like we were in a Good position to give Narvaez one more year to see if he could keep the bat and improve the defense before the prospects pushed him. 

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Just now, Eminor3rd said:

Yeah the more it’s marinating, the more I’m okay with it. Narvaez is a useful piece, but I’ve said before I’d rather have a defensive specialist with our rookie staff than an bat-only catcher. And while the bar is useful, it’s not likely to be fantastic.

But yeah, colome? I guess if they move him, he’s far more likely to net some talent with upside than Narvaez himself would have been. 

Rays didn't get much for him.

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Just now, wrathofhahn said:

Rays didn't get much for him.

Yes, but relievers consistently cost twice as much at the deadline. It’s the largest marginal premium of any position. Also, the Sox have shown a willingness to pay contracts down a bit in trades lately, which the Mariners were obviously not doing here. 

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7 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

Yes, but relievers consistently cost twice as much at the deadline. It’s the largest marginal premium of any position. Also, the Sox have shown a willingness to pay contracts down a bit in trades lately, which the Mariners were obviously not doing here. 

Absolutely.  Mediocre to good relievers bring much higher prices at the deadline.  For example, if we got a #10 system LH SP prospect for Omar Narvaez would people be happy with that?  Because that plus a DSL lottery ticket is what we got last year at the deadline for Soria.  In the winter, the Dodgers basically gave us a reliever to take Soria.

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33 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

If there is one thing the Sox have done really well this year it is pump up relievers in the short term and push them into the trading market. 

What have they gotten for them?  
Rutherford is about it.  And it required 2 really good relievers and Frazier.
The rest brought in a bunch of nothing.

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30 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

Yes, but relievers consistently cost twice as much at the deadline. It’s the largest marginal premium of any position. Also, the Sox have shown a willingness to pay contracts down a bit in trades lately, which the Mariners were obviously not doing here. 

I'm not so sure of that anymore. Soria went for what is currently the 19th ranked prospect. Other that hand trade pretty much all the relievers went for non top 100 prospects.

Colome was originally traded for two non top 20 prospects.

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I like this move. Who knows if Narvaez replicates his last season at the plate and at this point he has established a track record of being so bad at framing that by some measures it completely negates the positives of his bat. If the Sox buy into that, they've done well to sell high on him.

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11 minutes ago, bmags said:

I'm a little surprised at this predicted arb number for Colome. We way overestimated Abreu last year, are we sure that number is correct?

He wound up signing for $13 million, that's probably a little lower than I think I would have guessed for him, but not by much.

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Let the record state Greg doesn't mind this trade. Never fell in love with Narvaez though he did all right. We need bullpen arms who can actually getr people out and not implode and this guy seems like he has a chance to be good.

Greg's rating of trade on 1-10 scale: 8. I'll give it a B on a grade scale, more of a lower end B.

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Sox traded for a lot of young arms and don't want to see them hurt by lousy defensive cathers. Narvaez , Avi and Davidson , none stood out defensively.It's a trend . Don't be surprised if more defensive players are found, maybe even at 1st base with Abreu getting a lot more DH time or traded. I've always said play Harper at 1st base.

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12 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Sox traded for a lot of young arms and don't want to see them hurt by lousy defensive cathers. Narvaez , Avi and Davidson , none stood out defensively.It's a trend . Don't be surprised if more defensive players are found, maybe even at 1st base with Abreu getting a lot more DH time or traded. I've always said play Harper at 1st base.

So after the world series does Grandal count as a strong or weak defensive catcher?

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