flavum Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Lip Man 1 said: Rick Morrissey has a great story on Harold's speech today at the Sun-Times web site. It sounds from reading the story like it was one of the most moving speeches of the day. Congrats to HB. It was ok. The WGN special on Saturday was better than the speech. Garfien’s was a whiff. Lee Smith actually had a good speech. Mussina’s would have been good if he had the ability to emote when he speaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) I love Harold Baines. He is not a HOF player. If he didn't wreck his knee, maybe. When he was mobile, he could really play RF like nobody's business. Edited July 22, 2019 by zisk addition 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, zisk said: I love Harold Baines. He is not a HOF player. If he didn't wreck his knee, maybe. When he was mobile, he could really play RF like nobody's business. Harold Baines is a hall of fame player; glad he got in. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I know a lot of fans want a Hall of Great Stats and anything that can't be measured and ranked doesn't matter. I believe it is a Hall of Fame and a person's overall contribution to the game of baseball should be taken into account. Baines is a credit to the game of baseball. He played with all the great qualities you want in a player. He never disrespected the game by cheating, doing drugs, didn't gamble on baseball, he was a player that truly was a great role model on and off the field. The HoF would be an even bigger farce if they didn't recognize who builds the game up. I believe the Hall is a better place with him enshrined. Parents won't have to shield their children's eyes from the reality of the man when they visit. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Texsox said: I know a lot of fans want a Hall of Great Stats and anything that can't be measured and ranked doesn't matter. I believe it is a Hall of Fame and a person's overall contribution to the game of baseball should be taken into account. Baines is a credit to the game of baseball. He played with all the great qualities you want in a player. He never disrespected the game by cheating, doing drugs, didn't gamble on baseball, he was a player that truly was a great role model on and off the field. The HoF would be an even bigger farce if they didn't recognize who builds the game up. I believe the Hall is a better place with him enshrined. Parents won't have to shield their children's eyes from the reality of the man when they visit. This is the post of the year. Save it. Frame it. Harold Baines I salute you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Harold Baines has always been a class act. Congratulations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I expect a huge influx of hall of very good players now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 The other thing to remember with Baines is that he missed portions of three seasons to strikes, 1981 and 1994-95. Plug that playing time back in and he's over 3000 hits and right at 400 homers. How many more hits and home runs would Baines likely have logged? Using simple "on pace" calculations: 1981: 40 hits, 5 HR 1994: 51 hits, 7 HR 1995: 14 hits, 3 HR That'd bring Baines to 2,971 hits and 399 home runs. He'd get my vote either way, but his odds would probably be considerably better with those numbers literally scratching at Cooperstown's door. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 You must have the right numbers to get in = Votes. There is no one criteria but he was one of the most respected players in the game during his era unlike the guy he was traded for. Next name up should be Dick Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 14 hours ago, Texsox said: Baines is a credit to the game of baseball. He played with all the great qualities you want in a player. He never disrespected the game by cheating, doing drugs, didn't gamble on baseball, he was a player that truly was a great role model on and off the field. I get where you're coming from, but like...Aaron Rowand would be a hall of famer by these standards. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 FYI Baines had 100 rbi when he was 23 and 100 rbi when he was 40. Not many could claim that, maybe Stan Musial or Ted Williams if I was guessing. Impressive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 43 minutes ago, mqr said: I get where you're coming from, but like...Aaron Rowand would be a hall of famer by these standards. There are big differences at play here. Even his worse critics admit Harold has borderline stats for HoF. My point is borderline stats with top 1% type character deserves being honored by MLB. Even Aaron's biggest fans wouldn't claim he has borderline stats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I heard his speech during the radio post game show while driving yesterday. Was it a great speech? Probably not because Harold is not a gifted speaker But it was incredibly sincere, emotional and heart warming. I am glad that I heard it. Harold Baines is a credit to baseball and an absolute gift to White Sox fans everyone. Congratulations Harold!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 3 hours ago, pcq said: You must have the right numbers to get in = Votes. There is no one criteria but he was one of the most respected players in the game during his era unlike the guy he was traded for. Next name up should be Dick Allen. I could go with Dick or Billy Pierce, Minnie Minoso and then Tommy John and Jim Katt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 38 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I could go with Dick or Billy Pierce, Minnie Minoso and then Tommy John and Jim Katt. Minoso is one of the biggest omissions, in my opinion. Jim Kaat should be in too. He’d have an AL Cy if they gave out more than one in 1965. Tommy John also would have got to 300 without being on some bad teams- Sox included. Plus the surgery- he’s famous...Hall of Fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, flavum said: Minoso is one of the biggest omissions, in my opinion. Jim Kaat should be in too. He’d have an AL Cy if they gave out more than one in 1965. Tommy John also would have got to 300 without being on some bad teams- Sox included. Plus the surgery- he’s famous...Hall of Fame. Nobody mentions that Kaat spent two plus years here and won 20 games twice. We have only had a few since, McDowell, Hoyt, Dotson and Loaiza. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 16 hours ago, caulfield12 said: The other thing to remember with Baines is that he missed portions of three seasons to strikes, 1981 and 1994-95. Plug that playing time back in and he's over 3000 hits and right at 400 homers. How many more hits and home runs would Baines likely have logged? Using simple "on pace" calculations: 1981: 40 hits, 5 HR 1994: 51 hits, 7 HR 1995: 14 hits, 3 HR That'd bring Baines to 2,971 hits and 399 home runs. He'd get my vote either way, but his odds would probably be considerably better with those numbers literally scratching at Cooperstown's door. Great post. What do the naysayers say to this? Caulfield with the slam dunk on behalf of Harold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palehose1 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 "Words are easy. Deeds are hard. Words can be empty, deeds speak loudest, and sometimes they echo forever." Well said. Congratulations Harold for representing White Sox fans so well over the past 40 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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