TheFutureIsNear Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Tony said: As I said in the Nova thread, The White Sox adding Nova and Grandal, and not coming away with Harper or Machado after Kenny puffed his chest would be so classic White Sox, words can't accurately describe. This is the mentality I don’t understand from this board....if a bottom 5 team that is still smack dab in the middle of a rebuild doesn’t sign 1 of the 2 biggest free agent super stars it’s a disappointment? In what world? It’s a novel idea and I’m sure the front office is giving it the old college try, but to think that either are signing here is more than a hope and prayer is naive in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Charlie Haeger's Knuckles said: > has flashbacks to Toby Hall / shudders I'm shocked at how many here do not seem to be on board with exploring a Grandal signing. He has been one of the best starting catchers in the league and is available for only money (and draft/international pool money). He would be a substantial upgrade for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 46 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: It came up on the first page. And i have a feeling a lot of people believe we would be giving up a draft pick for Harper anyway so what's another? I also feel like if we get him then we would end up trading Castillo at some point which would probably get a return to offset or more the lost pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I'm shocked at how many here do not seem to be on board with exploring a Grandal signing. He has been one of the best starting catchers in the league and is available for only money (and draft/international pool money). He would be a substantial upgrade for the Sox. That's not what I meant... I meant the lost season due to him tearing up his shoulder in ST "getting reps" at 1B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, GenericUserName said: I also feel like if we get him then we would end up trading Castillo at some point which would probably get a return to offset or more the lost pick. I doubt you're going to get much value for a fairly highly paid catcher who would be under contract for a couple months and who has a steroid suspension in their background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Tony said: This is not the message the front office has been sending. The message they have been sending is this is offseason is going to be different, they are ready to spend. That's great. We all welcome that. But with that type of talk, expectations get significantly raised. Again if they offer everything they have, which is what they are saying, and Harper/Machado turn them down, how is that a negative? The FO narrative doesn't change, they offered everything. Edited December 11, 2018 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said: This is the mentality I don’t understand from this board....if a bottom 5 team that is still smack dab in the middle of a rebuild doesn’t sign 1 of the 2 biggest free agent super stars it’s a disappointment? In what world? It’s a novel idea and I’m sure the front office is giving it the old college try, but to think that either are signing here is more than a hope and prayer is naive in my opinion. Its a disappointment if they don't sign them, sure. But I don't think it's the type of disappointment you might be referring to... Its like getting a new Bike for Christmas, but not the brand/style you want. The Sox being in the news as a player for two of the best generational talents in the league is a big deal. And it will be kinda shitty to not see them play on the south side. But hell, at least they tried. That's the disappointment, at least for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I would be pro Grandal because it has really bothered me that a rebuild full of young pitchers has given them garbage defensive catchers and framers. I don't care if we pay an FA price for it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I doubt you're going to get much value for a fairly highly paid catcher who would be under contract for a couple months and who has a steroid suspension in their background. well Grandal has that in common with Castillo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 What happens to Castillo if they do get Grandal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: What happens to Castillo if they do get Grandal? He's the backup catcher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I doubt you're going to get much value for a fairly highly paid catcher who would be under contract for a couple months and who has a steroid suspension in their background. He is actually fairly cheap (~$7mil), has a team option so the team has control if he does well and no costs if he doesn't, and I don't think teams really care about steroid suspensions once the player can play games again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Whitesox27 said: What happens to Castillo if they do get Grandal? Split time between C and DH? Grandal is rough against lefties, obviously Palka is too? He's on a one year deal so it's not a bad thing to have him around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: What happens to Castillo if they do get Grandal? Platoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: He's the backup catcher? He would be a fairly expensive backup catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 You could also see one of them play DH against LHP if Palka is our primary DH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: He would be a fairly expensive backup catcher. Not really, and who cares...that budget is preventing sox from doing anything they want this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Can't link at the time, but reports on twitter that Mets want Grandal if they can't get Realmuto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, fathom said: Can't link at the time, but reports on twitter that Mets want Grandal if they can't get Realmuto It was on mlbtr... https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/12/mets-white-sox-interested-in-yasmani-grandal.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Really don't want to give up the pick for grandal. If sox get Harper you are losing one there too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Tony said: This is not the message the front office has been sending. The message they have been sending is this is offseason is going to be different, they are ready to spend. That's great. We all welcome that. But with that type of talk, expectations get significantly raised. My point was more that you're making it seem like signing 1 of these super stars is like picking up something up at the grocery store. It's a 2 way street. If the front office throws a bunch of $ at them and they choose to sign elsewhere what can you do? Excitement for the possibility is 1 thing, but disappointment if the sox don't sign Harper/Machado doesn't make sense to me. Not to mention that a move like Grandal and others 1st makes a ton of sense. Why would Harper come to the Sox with their current roster? Making the team better can only help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tony said: Who’s fault is it that the grocery store has a rotten stock of inventory? Who’s fault is it that management hasn’t made the grocery store an attractive destination? Again, have the Sox really been bad for so long expectations are this low?!? You have the front office telling you things are going to be different, but the fans saying “Aw shucks you guys tried your hardest, it’s OK. Good effort buddy” Lets raise the bar. Your grocery store analogies have changed my perspective on life. ? Honestly, you're 100% on this. They've been conditioning people with garbage for so long anything against the grain is met with positivity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, Tony said: Who’s fault is it that the grocery store has a rotten stock of inventory? Who’s fault is it that management hasn’t made the grocery store an attractive destination? Again, have the Sox really been bad for so long expectations are this low?!? You have the front office telling you things are going to be different, but the fans saying “Aw shucks you guys tried your hardest, it’s OK. Good effort buddy” Lets raise the bar. I wanted a new front office years ago. It’s not about making excuses for anyone. It’s beeing realistic about the situation. There are other teams vying for their services that are more attractive destinations, it’s an undeniable fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 If a friend asks a girl out and she likes him but instead decides to date a Kennedy, are you mad at him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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