bmags Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 People are going to get angry at me but is anyone worried we are going to trade for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I'd take him for free. But he won't be free. So no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 As a stop gap I'm down...for like, Fulmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Overrated Boston player, hopefully we stay away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 It would also include basically helping out Boston by taking on their trash contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Engel for JBJ swap? Yes or no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 my god, if we got JBJ and Swihart in a deal, it would be like 20% of all the trade rumors from the last 3 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, fathom said: my god, if we got JBJ and Swihart in a deal, it would be like 20% of all the trade rumors from the last 3 years. I want all the players from the worst Q trades this offseason. Come on down Puig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, bmags said: I want all the players from the worst Q trades this offseason. Come on down Puig. Glasnow, Austin Meadows, Josh Bell, Kevin Newman, Albies, Clint Frazier.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 22 minutes ago, bmags said: People are going to get angry at me but is anyone worried we are going to trade for him I am worried that this FO will do any number of silly trades for 1/2 year veterans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, fathom said: Glasnow, Austin Meadows, Josh Bell, Kevin Newman, Albies, Clint Frazier.... Why is albies there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, bmags said: Why is albies there... he was definitely one of the names mentioned in the Q trade, but I see you said worst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, fathom said: he was definitely one of the names mentioned in the Q trade, but I see you said worst I want the bad ones. Kevin Newman...ooh baby welcome to the white sox, you are our new SS, Tim you are catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, bmags said: I want the bad ones. Kevin Newman...ooh baby welcome to the white sox, you are our new SS, Tim you are catcher. I'm actually surprised how well Glasnow pitched for Tampa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) Id be fine with this if they didn't have to give up anyone of high value. No more Engel If the Sox could get away with trading someone outside their top 15, sure, why not? Edited December 11, 2018 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I know Boston's payroll is pretty high but would they really make themselves that much worse next season by giving up a starting position player for nearly nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I know Boston's payroll is pretty high but would they really make themselves that much worse next season by giving up a starting position player for nearly nothing? I think the package would need to be including Porcello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, fathom said: I'm actually surprised how well Glasnow pitched for Tampa I'm not. Apparently the Pirates are one of the last teams really stressing two seamers down in the zone as the basis of pitching and making all of their guys do it. As soon as he went to the Rays his velo and spin rate spiked and his fastball location was much higher in the zone, which seems to indicate the Rays had him move to what most of the league is doing with high spin rate four seamers up in the zone. That change, and some others I can't remember, were quick fixes that an analytically inclined team like the Rays were able to easily identify as problems and things they could fix that would make him look better than what his numbers with the Pirates would suggest. This is actually why I have some hope about the Nova trade. The Pirates aren't just not good, they are actively making some of their pitchers worse by making them all use the same pitching strategy even if it doesn't play to their strengths. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I'm for anything that takes Engel out of the lineup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Nate Jones for JBJ could make sense for both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, GenericUserName said: I'm not. Apparently the Pirates are one of the last teams really stressing two seamers down in the zone as the basis of pitching and making all of their guys do it. As soon as he went to the Rays his velo and spin rate spiked and his fastball location was much higher in the zone, which seems to indicate the Rays had him move to what most of the league is doing with high spin rate four seamers up in the zone. That change, and some others I can't remember, were quick fixes that an analytically inclined team like the Rays were able to easily identify as problems and things they could fix that would make him look better than what his numbers with the Pirates would suggest. This is actually why I have some hope about the Nova trade. The Pirates aren't just not good, they are actively making some of their pitchers worse by making them all use the same pitching strategy even if it doesn't play to their strengths. In a week full of awful posts, this might be the best. thank you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, GenericUserName said: I'm not. Apparently the Pirates are one of the last teams really stressing two seamers down in the zone as the basis of pitching and making all of their guys do it. As soon as he went to the Rays his velo and spin rate spiked and his fastball location was much higher in the zone, which seems to indicate the Rays had him move to what most of the league is doing with high spin rate four seamers up in the zone. That change, and some others I can't remember, were quick fixes that an analytically inclined team like the Rays were able to easily identify as problems and things they could fix that would make him look better than what his numbers with the Pirates would suggest. This is actually why I have some hope about the Nova trade. The Pirates aren't just not good, they are actively making some of their pitchers worse by making them all use the same pitching strategy even if it doesn't play to their strengths. Except Nova had his career best stretch (or at least one of his best stretches) right after he got to the Pirates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, GenericUserName said: I'm not. Apparently the Pirates are one of the last teams really stressing two seamers down in the zone as the basis of pitching and making all of their guys do it. As soon as he went to the Rays his velo and spin rate spiked and his fastball location was much higher in the zone, which seems to indicate the Rays had him move to what most of the league is doing with high spin rate four seamers up in the zone. That change, and some others I can't remember, were quick fixes that an analytically inclined team like the Rays were able to easily identify as problems and things they could fix that would make him look better than what his numbers with the Pirates would suggest. This is actually why I have some hope about the Nova trade. The Pirates aren't just not good, they are actively making some of their pitchers worse by making them all use the same pitching strategy even if it doesn't play to their strengths. It's so crazy given where the Pirates started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Except Nova had his career best stretch (or at least one of his best stretches) right after he got to the Pirates? He did, but it was in a smaller sample and he switched leagues so he may have had the advantage of batters not being familiar with him. That said, Hahn did just make mention of his ground ball ability, so it seems like they like him for what he is and not what he could be changed into, so the Glasnow comparison probably doesn't matter for Nova. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 39 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: Nate Jones for JBJ could make sense for both sides. They want to shed salary and I'm not sure Jones who they would want in their pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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