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13 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Except Nova had his career best stretch (or at least one of his best stretches) right after he got to the Pirates?

There are certain types that work for the pirates. You can't really improve spin except using pine tar.

 

This means low spin guys do best low in the zone and high spin  guys do best up. Glasnow is a high spin  guy and they still tried him to pitch like a low spin sinker guy. 

If you try to make a low spin guy into a high heat guy it won't work either.

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15 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

I know Boston's payroll is pretty high but would they really make themselves that much worse next season by giving up a starting position player for nearly nothing?

No, I am sure they will want a return.  But remember they are juggling 4 outfielders in 3 positions w Martinez bouncing between OF/DH.  Betts is also an above average defender who could move to CF but not a Bradley.  I can see them moving Bradley especially if they have another outfield prospect on the horizon. 

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2 minutes ago, SCCWS said:

No, I am sure they will want a return.  But remember they are juggling 4 outfielders in 3 positions w Martinez bouncing between OF/DH.  Betts is also an above average defender who could move to CF but not a Bradley.  I can see them moving Bradley especially if they have another outfield prospect on the horizon. 

Do they? 

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5 minutes ago, SCCWS said:

No, I am sure they will want a return.  But remember they are juggling 4 outfielders in 3 positions w Martinez bouncing between OF/DH.  Betts is also an above average defender who could move to CF but not a Bradley.  I can see them moving Bradley especially if they have another outfield prospect on the horizon. 

Benintendi can play CF.

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1 hour ago, [email protected] said:

There are certain types that work for the pirates. You can't really improve spin except using pine tar.

 

This means low spin guys do best low in the zone and high spin  guys do best up. Glasnow is a high spin  guy and they still tried him to pitch like a low spin sinker guy. 

If you try to make a low spin guy into a high heat guy it won't work either.

You do realize that those two pitches have different spin rates on purpose? It's not that one is a low spin rate guy. If you throw a sinker, you want a low spin rate for the drop, hence you hold two seams of the ball. If you want the ball to maintain its path and not move, you hold 4 seams to increase the spin rate.

It's not about the spin rate in a vacuum. It's about how much you want the ball to move.

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4 minutes ago, Hot FiRe said:

Am I missing something? Why are so many people here disrespecting JBJ? 29 year old CFer with an ops north of 700. That's a solid player. 

I agree.  With two years of control, he could be a nice addition to allow Robert to get ready.  I expect the Red Sox would want a decent return, probably too much for our Sox to consider.

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14 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

I agree.  With two years of control, he could be a nice addition to allow Robert to get ready.  I expect the Red Sox would want a decent return, probably too much for our Sox to consider.

I don't have a feel for this one at all. Lessening the return would be sox taking on money. However, all of their "expensive" pieces are actually decent, Porcello is an overpaid 4th starter but you still need to give up something of value.

I would imagine Dombrowski would like closer to bigs talent. Weird fit, very low here. But there aren't that many buyers out there, so you never know.

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22 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

I agree.  With two years of control, he could be a nice addition to allow Robert to get ready.  I expect the Red Sox would want a decent return, probably too much for our Sox to consider.

The Sox will need a decent CF. They don't have any near MLB ready. At earliest a callup in late 2020.

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3 hours ago, ptatc said:

You do realize that those two pitches have different spin rates on purpose? It's not that one is a low spin rate guy. If you throw a sinker, you want a low spin rate for the drop, hence you hold two seams of the ball. If you want the ball to maintain its path and not move, you hold 4 seams to increase the spin rate.

It's not about the spin rate in a vacuum. It's about how much you want the ball to move.

Actually a sinker doesn't spin less, there are just less seams in the spin direction so there is less lift on the ball. The spin causes air to move around the ball and 4 seams can move more air than 2 seams.

You cant really change your spin rate, driveline has done tons of experiments (finger pressure, grip variations, finger length...) on this and they said the only thing that helps is using a sticky substance (illegal). Teams are still researchin this but it seems like nothing was found yet.

But of course it makes sense for the low spin guy to use more of a sinker grip and for the high spin guy to use a 4 seam grip.

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30 minutes ago, [email protected] said:

Actually a sinker doesn't spin less, there are just less seams in the spin direction so there is less lift on the ball. The spin causes air to move around the ball and 4 seams can move more air than 2 seams.

You cant really change your spin rate, driveline has done tons of experiments (finger pressure, grip variations, finger length...) on this and they said the only thing that helps is using a sticky substance (illegal). Teams are still researchin this but it seems like nothing was found yet.

But of course it makes sense for the low spin guy to use more of a sinker grip and for the high spin guy to use a 4 seam grip.

Doesn't improving velocity improve spin rate?

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31 minutes ago, [email protected] said:

Actually a sinker doesn't spin less, there are just less seams in the spin direction so there is less lift on the ball. The spin causes air to move around the ball and 4 seams can move more air than 2 seams.

You cant really change your spin rate, driveline has done tons of experiments (finger pressure, grip variations, finger length...) on this and they said the only thing that helps is using a sticky substance (illegal). Teams are still researchin this but it seems like nothing was found yet.

But of course it makes sense for the low spin guy to use more of a sinker grip and for the high spin guy to use a 4 seam grip.

Are you saying that a sinker and something like a knuckleball don't spin less than a 4 seam fast ball? The physics behind it is the airflow which does change with the DIRECTION of the seams, this is the difference in all pitches including the 2 seam and 4 seam fastballs. I thought I read that the 2 seam does spin less as well.

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