southsider2k5 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Kind of a different thread, but to see what people think the highest pain points should be for Machado or Harper. What should the highest offer to them be in terms of years/total salary/opt outs? How high/long should the White Sox offer to get one of them, and what is too much? Side question, has anyone broached the idea of offering a small minority ownership share to catch his interest? If this is valued as a billion dollar franchise, a 1% stake would be worth $10 million and could catch his attention as something that really hasn't been done yet. The question for me, is that something that is allowable? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Harper - 10 years/$385M, opt outs after years 4, 5, and 6 Machado - 10 years/$350M, similar opt outs I would offer more to Harper only because I believe he would be more valuable to the franchise. I never thought about an ownership clause. That is an interesting idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Eleventy kabillion, give or take a few kabillion. I'm not sure about ownership clauses, I think you can't really measure it when adding up the payroll for luxury tax purposes so I would assume that's out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I would max out at 10/$340 for both guys. Structure as such: Years 1-5: $50M, $50M, $45M, $45M, $40M (effective 5 year-$230M) OPT OUT Years 6-8: $30M, $30M, $30M (effective 8 year-$320M if first opt out is rejected) OPT OUT Years 9-10: $10M, $10M (10 year $340M if no opt outs are taken) I think this is also the best bet to land one (or both) of these guys. Highly frontloaded deal. Doesn't kill the franchise on the back-end even if the player diminishes and doesn't opt out. Keeps the player incentived to get another big pay day at age 31 after 5 years, which obviously is important to the team. I think its a win-win structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Can't do the ownership thing. Other existing teams have to approve new owners, and they won't start that can of worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, oldsox said: Can't do the ownership thing. Other existing teams have to approve new owners, and they won't start that can of worms. Except Ryan Raburn and the White Sox 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, fathom said: Except Ryan Raburn and the White Sox I'm not with you, partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, fathom said: Except Ryan Raburn and the White Sox Gotta admit, this made me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 50, 40 x3yrs, opt out, 40,35, opt out, 35, 30 opt out 30,30 total ten years 370 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I don't think our FO should care if the deal is 35 mil a year or 45 a year. Front load the contract while payroll is low to take more of the hit. You'll have him here at least four years, and if you do well in that time frame, you figure out if you want to give jim another contract. I would be willing to offer 10 years and 450 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 10/375 for Harper with a front loaded structure with no opt out or a balanced structure with an opt out after years 4 and 6 10/350 for Machado with the same structure considerations depending on whether an opt out is necessary to get the job done. Edited December 12, 2018 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 12 years $400-$425 million If you need go that far for harper. Edited December 13, 2018 by peavy44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 15 years, 149,000 posts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 10/400 for Harper and 10/350 for Machado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Why do people want to give the better player less money? I say throw 10/$375 at both and see which one bites first. Structure: 50-45-45-/-45-45-45-/-40-/-25-20-15 / = opt out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 $5.99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 16 hours ago, oldsox said: I'm not with you, partner. Ryan Raburn owned the Sox . Had crazy numbers against us and blah against everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 8 hours ago, Dam8610 said: Why do people want to give the better player less money? I say throw 10/$375 at both and see which one bites first. Structure: 50-45-45-/-45-45-45-/-40-/-25-20-15 / = opt out Um because Harper provides more in terms of excitability and marketability while Machado is seen as a non hustling dirty SOB. I know you know this but maybe don't believe it ? Machado is the anti Harper. He's been the consistently better player but Harper is till capable of higher upside. He's not quite Albert Belle crazy dirty psyhco but still with all social media now as opposed to back then he's getting much more bad press about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 It's not my money, whatever it takes to sign one of them, I'm on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 15 hours ago, SonofaRoache said: I don't think our FO should care if the deal is 35 mil a year or 45 a year. Front load the contract while payroll is low to take more of the hit. You'll have him here at least four years, and if you do well in that time frame, you figure out if you want to give jim another contract. I would be willing to offer 10 years and 450 million. 10/450 is insane no matter how you slice it. Harper is a great talent, but he is not Trout. Teams are likely willing to go in the 320-350 range, but I would struggle to see the bidding go beyond that on a 10 year deal. 10/340 would be my guess, with an opt out after 4 seasons at Harper's age 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 If I bet money, I would be the under for this contract. It’s going to be biggest ever but less that we think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Actually I take that back, that’s only from an AAV standpoint, I’m thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 420 Opt outs at 6/9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 35 minutes ago, steveno89 said: 10/450 is insane no matter how you slice it. Harper is a great talent, but he is not Trout. Teams are likely willing to go in the 320-350 range, but I would struggle to see the bidding go beyond that on a 10 year deal. 10/340 would be my guess, with an opt out after 4 seasons at Harper's age 30 If we were the Cubs or Yankees I'd agree. This team needs Harper to be relevant. If things go well we can be one of the faces of baseball via Harper and have a chance at 2 championships. I'd pay him a huge amount up front and bite the bullet if need be, then 35 million going down the line. Trout is the best player in baseball but let's be real, the fans view Harper as the face of baseball and so do the networks. Most people don't even know what Trout looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 31 minutes ago, GREEDY said: 420 Opt outs at 6/9 Signing Harper, not Bauer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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