Nightengale: JR has talked to Boras, no offer yet submitted for harper (Harper Thread *updates in first post*)

[Chi Town Sox]

I understand the tension but everyone relax.  Nothing there says we are out, no need to try to go any deeper than what was actually said.  

[Jose Abreu]

2 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:

Yes, if they miss on both of these guys and the rationale is that the Sox offered the most money and it was just a matter of them being the Sox then they are descending into Bulls territory.

  

 

Just now, Jack Parkman said:

I agree with this take. 

Have the Sox players formed a mutiny and contacted the MLBPA over extreme managing tactics anytime recently?

[GreenSox]

I don't know why he bothered saying that stuff - no kidding it's not all about the top financial offer.  Everyone knows that.
 

[Jack Parkman]

3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

 

Have the Sox players formed a mutiny and contacted the MLBPA over extreme managing tactics anytime recently?

Not yet, but wait about 3-5 years...

Both teams have been a clown college for the better part of a decade. Remember how we felt in June 2016? 

Edited December 13, 2018 by Jack Parkman

[TheTruth05]

Just now, Jack Parkman said:

Not yet, but wait about 3-5 years...

What? lol cmon.

[fathom]

1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said:

 

Have the Sox players formed a mutiny and contacted the MLBPA over extreme managing tactics anytime recently?

well they did almost forfeit a spring training game due to a child

[Harry Chappas]

Just now, Jose Abreu said:

 

Have the Sox players formed a mutiny and contacted the MLBPA over extreme managing tactics anytime recently?

I am only talking about targeting and securing free agents.  I am not trying to crap on the team of front office but if they target both and lose out on both there are concerns in my mind. There are putting in the effort and all that but they cannot finalize the mega-deal. 

[peppers312]

1 minute ago, Harry Chappas said:

I am only talking about targeting and securing free agents.  I am not trying to crap on the team of front office but if they target both and lose out on both there are concerns in my mind. There are putting in the effort and all that but they cannot finalize the mega-deal. 

so now you're comparing KW/Hahn to GarPax? gtfo 

[Harry Chappas]

1 minute ago, Tony said:

I was more referencing you thinking this already over....

I think the longer it drags on the opportunity for a team to find the ability to drop salary will open up for a higher profile team.

 

[fathom]

Just now, peppers312 said:

so now you're comparing KW/Hahn to GarPax? gtfo 

Yeah, that's not fair...Pax has had a team over .500 in the last 6 years

In all honesty though, the Sox are just too irrelevant these days.  When you have horrible attendance, horrible TV ratings and a horrible team....you're not exactly at the top of everyone's wish list.  The unique situation exists this offseason in that Harper and Machado might not take the most money (like what usually happens) due to unusual circumstances (Harper wanting to play with Bryant, Manny being a Yanks fan)

[Harry Chappas]

Just now, peppers312 said:

so now you're comparing KW/Hahn to GarPax? gtfo 

No what I am saying is that if the Sox target and are unable to land either free agent then to me in the free agency world they are becoming very similar to the Bulls in that they can try and be in play but in reality they will not play.   They will grab a couple of mid-tier guys maybe a handful in one off-season but not he big boy free agents.  

[peppers312]

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Yeah, that's not fair...Pax has had a team over .500 in the last 6 years

In all honesty though, the Sox are just too irrelevant these days.  When you have horrible attendance, horrible TV ratings and a horrible team....you're not exactly at the top of everyone's wish list.  The unique situation exists this offseason in that Harper and Machado might not take the most money (like what usually happens) due to unusual circumstances (Harper wanting to play with Bryant, Manny being a Yanks fan)

and for all we know maybe Harper/Boras are waiting to see how Machado's visits go and what the $$$ value of his contract offers look like...

everyone should just sit back, relax and strap it down. LOL we could be in for a long ride.  

[fathom]

https://fancredsports.com/articles/inside-baseball-making-sense-of-the-harper-macha

[ChiSoxFanMike]

Is anyone concerned about Merkin's tweets regarding this?

[Chicago White Sox]

21 minutes ago, fathom said:

yep, we're his safety school right now.  Still waiting to hear back from his dream school(s)

The Cubs haven’t even met with him from what I’ve seen.  And I’m not yet convinced the Dodgers are eager to spend the money on him.  I think this “he’s waiting on teams to free up money” narrative is complete BS.

[Jose Abreu]

1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

The Cubs haven’t even met with him from what I’ve seen.  And I’m not yet convinced the Dodgers are eager to spend the money on him.  I think this “he’s waiting on teams to free up money” narrative is complete BS.

Then why hasn't he already signed with us or Philadelphia?

[peavy44]

6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

The Cubs haven’t even met with him from what I’ve seen.  And I’m not yet convinced the Dodgers are eager to spend the money on him.  I think this “he’s waiting on teams to free up money” narrative is complete BS.

Why is harper waiting then.

[Jose Abreu]

Jon Heyman has Harper going to the Sox, he said on MLB Network

[peppers312]

Just now, Whitesox27 said:

Is anyone concerned about Merkin's tweets regarding this?

no, because if you actually watch the interview and listen to Hahn talk about it, he doesn't sounds concerned so i'm not going to be. 

the process could end tomorrow, it could end in Jan/Feb. enjoy the ride! 

[peavy44]

Hes waiting on the cubs or dodgers

[Balta1701]

1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said:

Then why hasn't he already signed with us or Philadelphia?

Machado hasn't met with anyone yet apparently and Harper's agent is Scott Boras, Scott Boras is only going to have his player sign now if he thinks there's a real chance that his best offer could evaporate with nothing comparable available. At least for the near future, there's no pressure for either of them to finish.

[peppers312]

Just now, peavy44 said:

Why is harper waiting then.

maybe he's waiting for Machado to set the price tag? 

[Chicago White Sox]

11 minutes ago, fathom said:

Yeah, that's not fair...Pax has had a team over .500 in the last 6 years

In all honesty though, the Sox are just too irrelevant these days.  When you have horrible attendance, horrible TV ratings and a horrible team....you're not exactly at the top of everyone's wish list.  The unique situation exists this offseason in that Harper and Machado might not take the most money (like what usually happens) due to unusual circumstances (Harper wanting to play with Bryant, Manny being a Yanks fan)

There is absolutely nothing to suggest either player would take less money to play for their desired teams.

[peppers312]

Just now, Balta1701 said:

Machado hasn't met with anyone yet apparently and Harper's agent is Scott Boras, Scott Boras is only going to have his player sign now if he thinks there's a real chance that his best offer could evaporate with nothing comparable available. At least for the near future, there's no pressure for either of them to finish.

exactly. at least that's what i'm doing if i'm a free agent in this situation. 

[maggsmaggs]

1 minute ago, peavy44 said:

Why is harper waiting then.

Because he is about to sign a contract that could very well take him into retirement, and he wants to make an educated and informed decision about who that team will be.

Edited December 13, 2018 by maggsmaggs