whitesoxwinner Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 He's just a place holder until like June when Zavala gets called up. I don't like the signing and would've preferred a different guy, but it's not the end of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: This thread is as SoxTalk as it gets. Everyone freaking out about a backup catcher who is nothing but a one year placeholder. Chill. Yes, kind of, but I have a hard time believing Maldonado is going to get more than 1 year. Anyways, this is small potatoes but indicates a greater flaw in the way the White Sox evaluate players. That is why I don't care for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Whitesox27 said: This thread is as SoxTalk as it gets. Everyone freaking out about a backup catcher who is nothing but a one year placeholder. Chill. I think its a pretty legit indication that the Sox are Harper/Machado or bust. I think that is why some people are upset by the move. James McCann is not a guy a team signs that is interested in trying to put a decent product on the field. We have also traded away a similarly defensively challenged catcher for a good not great bullpen arm, when the org could have signed someone similar for similar money, without giving up said asset. And we also gave away another passable option for nothing. Either keep Narvaez and just sign a reliever off FA, and wait for a better opportunity to trade Narvaez. Or keep Smith (for less $). Puzzling move to say the least. Its minor, but still doesn't add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 A lot of outrage over someone who's gonna play 20 games over 2-3 months and then be DFA'd for Seby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) Considering they don't want to rush the kid catchers this is an OK move. Needed to get someone. Edited December 14, 2018 by Lip Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said: A lot of outrage over someone who's gonna play 20 games over 2-3 months and then be DFA'd for Seby If that is the plan, why not just give someone that actually holds the platoon with Wellington a minor league deal to play 15 games before Zavala comes up? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: A lot of outrage over someone who's gonna play 20 games over 2-3 months and then be DFA'd for Seby Agreed. This move should be a non-issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: A lot of outrage over someone who's gonna play 20 games over 2-3 months and then be DFA'd for Seby I think the outrage is over Hahn trading the #5 offensive catcher in 2018, who is Pre-arb in exchange for a reliever that makes about what he'd get on the free market.... seemingly because Narvaez was poor defensively. Meaning you gave him away for little to nothing. THEN turning around and replacing him with a very similar (poor defense) if not worse player for more money. Edited December 14, 2018 by GREEDY 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Something I am interested in: why is everyone assuming Zavala is going to be up to the majors quickly next year? He is supposed to be an offense first catcher, but his offensive numbers cratered at AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, GREEDY said: So because your take was brutal (talking about McCann's upside and defensive prowess) now it doesn't matter because he is just a backup catcher? My take was fine. He put up a 1.5 fWAR in 2017. That is worth $2.5 million. He still has another year of arb. If he sucks, so what? Most back up catchers suck. Since 2015 according to fangraphs, his defense has always been positive. Steamer projects about a half a WAR as a part timer. Right in line. And yes, if your team needs to add about 34 wins to make the playoffs, freaking out about a back up catcher is psycho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, ChiSox59 said: If that is the plan, why not just give someone that actually holds the platoon with Wellington a minor league deal to play 15 games before Zavala comes up? Lot of confidence in Zavala on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, GREEDY said: I think the outrage is over Hahn trading the #5 offensive catcher in 2018, who is Pre-arb in exchange for a reliever that makes about what he'd get on the free market.... seemingly because Narvaez was poor defensively. Meaning you gave him away for little to nothing. THEN turning around and replacing him with a very similar (poor defense) if not worse player for more money. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 If anything, I think this move is a good thing. It shows that they believe in Collins to stick at catcher long term. That is way more important than freaking out about one year of James McCann as the backup catcher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: If that is the plan, why not just give someone that actually holds the platoon with Wellington a minor league deal to play 15 games before Zavala comes up? Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, fathom said: You would think they would have just kept Smith over McCann. They tried to sneak him through waivers at a time they thought they could pass him. It's whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: The team was 62-100, and people are upset about a back up catcher. A backup catcher that could potentially have up to 50 to 60 starts (if Seby isn’t ready) with our young pitchers is kind of a big deal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Whitesox27 said: If anything, I think this move is a good thing. It shows that they believe in Collins to stick at catcher long term. That is way more important than freaking out about one year of James McCann as the backup catcher. Very strong post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: A backup catcher that could potentially have up to 50 to 60 starts (if Seby isn’t ready) with our young pitchers is kind of a big deal to me. Besides framing, they also might have wanted someone with a strong arm due to how bad our starters are at holding runners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: If that is the plan, why not just give someone that actually holds the platoon with Wellington a minor league deal to play 15 games before Zavala comes up? Why do you think he will be up that soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, fathom said: Lot of confidence in Zavala on this board. If he doesn't so what? He is a place-filler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: A backup catcher that could potentially have up to 50 to 60 starts (if Seby isn’t ready) with our young pitchers is kind of a big deal to me. Guy has 40,000 posts and tells people they are insane for discussing one of the 25 players that will be on the team next season immediately after he is acquired. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I think counting on Zavala to contribute much this season ranks up there with the front office’s idea that Adrian Nieto was going to be with the Sox for a decade as he developed...Zavala is more likely another Delmonico/Skole/Cordell and likely the 24th or 25th player on the roster until he can prove the ability to hit in AAA and stick at catcher instead of LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, GREEDY said: I think the outrage is over Hahn trading the #5 offensive catcher in 2018, who is Pre-arb in exchange for a reliever that makes about what he'd get on the free market.... seemingly because Narvaez was poor defensively. Meaning you gave him away for little to nothing. THEN turning around and replacing him with a very similar (poor defense) if not worse player for more money. Omar is the definition of a replacement catcher. Anything he gave you with the stick, he more than gave back behind the plate. Let's not pretend that he is something special by ripping all 50% of the pages of his story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, Jose Abreu said: Who? Stephen Vogt or Jose Lobaton would have been cheap (likely milb deals) and actually hold a platoon advantage with Wellington. Vogt sucks defensively, not sure on Lobaton of fhand. Even guys like Caleb Joseph, Rene Rivera, AJ Ellis would have been better options. It is what it is. Mainly just bored at work and have been craving a Sox move to talk about, as opposed to actually being outraged by this deal. Its not really a big thing - but I do think its a puzzling fit based on the Narvaez and Smith moves, and as someone who was really hoping for Grandal in addition to one (or both) of the whales, I am disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Omar is the definition of a replacement catcher. Anything he gave you with the stick, he more than gave back behind the plate. Let's not pretend that he is something special by ripping all 50% of the pages of his story. Except he wasn't. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/narvaom01.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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