caulfield12 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-cubs-could-still-play-194921605.html?bcmt=1 Pretty shocking that well over 100 comments in, not a single Cubs' fan wants to pay Harper what Boras is asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 14 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Yup, definitely need to add a 1 to 2 win OF to a long multi-year contract when seven our top 15 prospects are OFs. Yes the WS are rich in minor league OFs but only one of whom will see GRF in '19 and quite possibly '20. I am not a Heyward fan but if the Cubs paid down his K to fair value (i.e $12M at @1.5 WAR) plus threw in Montgomery a LH who could be a fit, we are considerably better, despite your sarcasm. Then, asuming no Harper, add $30-40M to the payroll and bring in a couple of difference makers, a la Grandal. Alternatively, wait until those 7 OF prospects are ready for prime time in '20/21 and complain about JR/RH/KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Gload Fan Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Flash said: Yes the WS are rich in minor league OFs but only one of whom will see GRF in '19 and quite possibly '20. I am not a Heyward fan but if the Cubs paid down his K to fair value (i.e $12M at @1.5 WAR) plus threw in Montgomery a LH who could be a fit, we are considerably better, despite your sarcasm. Then, asuming no Harper, add $30-40M to the payroll and bring in a couple of difference makers, a la Grandal. Alternatively, wait until those 7 OF prospects are ready for prime time in '20/21 and complain about JR/RH/KW. Why are people still pushing Grandal? We just signed a catcher to backup Castillo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ross Gload Fan said: Why are people still pushing Grandal? We just signed a catcher to backup Castillo. SH catcher and elite pitch framer who will help our young pitchers immensely. Huge upgrade over Castillo, who I would try to move if we get Grandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 48 minutes ago, Flash said: Yes the WS are rich in minor league OFs but only one of whom will see GRF in '19 and quite possibly '20. I am not a Heyward fan but if the Cubs paid down his K to fair value (i.e $12M at @1.5 WAR) plus threw in Montgomery a LH who could be a fit, we are considerably better, despite your sarcasm. Then, asuming no Harper, add $30-40M to the payroll and bring in a couple of difference makers, a la Grandal. Alternatively, wait until those 7 OF prospects are ready for prime time in '20/21 and complain about JR/RH/KW. You didn’t address my point. Heyward has five years left on his deal, why in the world would we add a guy with that much control who is no longer good? You can question the timing of our OF prospects if you want to, but there are numerous other ways to address that issue that are better fits than Heyward. And worst of all, you’ve just created a fan revolt by taking an albstross contract off your rival’s hands so they can land one of the most popular players in the games. I’m not trying to be mean, but the idea is absolute insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) Heyward really is a bad idea for reasons already stated. At rhis point ill take Palka over Heyward all day every day. The cubs can keep that shitty contract or continue to try and trade it to the giants. Edited December 24, 2018 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 If the Sox aren't going to get Harper, I kind of would like to see the Cubs get him. That would tie up a huge amount of money for a guy that doesn't really move the needle on anything they need, plus they are going to have to move some quality pieces and unbalance the team to get him. They would be much better served throwing big money at Craig Kimbrel than Bryce Harper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SCCWS Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Tony said: Talked to three Cubs fans who are close friends and I consider smart baseball guys, and all three don’t really get it from the Cubs side. They all “want” Bryce because it’s Bryce Harper, but don’t see the fit. HUH???? 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 What has Incarcerated Bob ever gotten right to make us think he’d be privy to this information? I thought he was generally known to be full of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: What has Incarcerated Bob ever gotten right to make us think he’d be privy to this information? I thought he was generally known to be full of shit. He had the Goldschmidt trade about a week before the national guys, not sure what else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I must say, Fathom referring to Incarcerated Bob as “pretty accurate” makes me feel quite confident that his Charles the Cat guy is a fraud 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 30 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: What has Incarcerated Bob ever gotten right to make us think he’d be privy to this information? I thought he was generally known to be full of shit. He throws a ton of stuff out there based on other people’s rumors and reports and about 25% of it ends up being right even though it’s just speculation. Any of us could do what he does 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Balta1701 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, aeichhor said: What does CBT mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: What does CBT mean? Competitive Balance Tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: What does CBT mean? Competitive Balance Tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: What does CBT mean? Competitive Balance Tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, Sockin said: Competitive Balance Tax Ah. thanks folks. I still have them closer to $180 million, not $200 million. They were at $200 million ish until they cleared $20 million in the Reds trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Ah. thanks folks. I still have them closer to $180 million, not $200 million. They were at $200 million ish until they cleared $20 million in the Reds trade? Its calculated based on AAV of their contracts. Don't just look at 2019 salary alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Its calculated based on AAV of their contracts. Don't just look at 2019 salary alone. Plus bonuses, and you have to add about $15 million for benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, Dick Allen said: Plus bonuses, and you have to add about $15 million for benefits. What's the benefits part? I've never heard that every team just has an extra $15 million tacked on for that tax? Can you elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: What's the benefits part? I've never heard that every team just has an extra $15 million tacked on for that tax? Can you elaborate? Are you asking what benefits are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Its calculated based on AAV of their contracts. Don't just look at 2019 salary alone. They don't have many contracts that balloon other than Joe Kelly, their payroll before Homer Bailey comes in is at $158 million, add in a couple extra million for Kelly and Bailey's contract and I get into the mid $180s, but I don't know what the "Benefits" DA just referred to is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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