Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, heirdog said: Whoa, Rosenthal saying White Sox offer could have reached $350 million...shit just guarantee $325 to Harper w potential to reach $375. That's the "Swell-opt" setup which is less favorable to the player than a player option. It sounds like a big number but it's the org being cheap and trying to disguise it behind a big number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Balta1701 said: That's the "Swell-opt" setup which is less favorable to the player than a player option. It sounds like a big number but it's the org being cheap and trying to disguise it behind a big number. That’s right. I reacted too quickly hoping to find something that let me support this org...but I’m just mystified how they let this happen?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, heirdog said: That’s right. I reacted too quickly hoping to find something that let me support this org...but I’m just mystified how they let this happen?!? They're clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) For Harper, offer him 10/ $330 million guaranteed. No opt outs. Or give him a 5 year opt out. Even salary. He beats Machado. He beats Stanton. JR saves face. If Harper performs and Machado perform, they save money in the long run if the $350 million is accurate. Boras keeps his clients in shape. Harper plays hard, and is really the face of baseball. Win. Win. Edited February 19, 2019 by Dick Allen 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: For Harper, offer him 10/ $330 million guaranteed. No opt outs. Even salary. He beats Machado. He beats Stanton. JR saves face. If Harper performs and Machado perform, they save money in the long run if the $350 million is accurate. Boras keeps his clients in shape. Harper plays hard, and is really the face of baseball. Win. Win. I hope they would, but I doubt it. It seems JR is content going down the Bill Wirtz road. Good Luck Jerry. Way to go from the most successful owner in town to the most villainous in 15 years. Edited February 19, 2019 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Dick Allen said: For Harper, offer him 10/ $330 million guaranteed. No opt outs. Even salary. He beats Machado. He beats Stanton. JR saves face. If Harper performs and Machado perform, they save money in the long run if the $350 million is accurate. Boras keeps his clients in shape. Harper plays hard, and is really the face of baseball. Win. Win. You’ll probably have to throw the opt-out in there, but everything else I’d be up for. Although I think it’ll take 350 to beat the Phillies at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Dick Allen said: For Harper, offer him 10/ $330 million guaranteed. No opt outs. Even salary. He beats Machado. He beats Stanton. JR saves face. If Harper performs and Machado perform, they save money in the long run if the $350 million is accurate. Boras keeps his clients in shape. Harper plays hard, and is really the face of baseball. Win. Win. I’m with you man. Not realistic but one can hope. They thought the swell opts would work but they were proven wrong. Hopefully this pushes them to make a real bid on Harper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: For Harper, offer him 10/ $330 million guaranteed. No opt outs. Even salary. He beats Machado. He beats Stanton. JR saves face. If Harper performs and Machado perform, they save money in the long run if the $350 million is accurate. Boras keeps his clients in shape. Harper plays hard, and is really the face of baseball. Win. Win. Please Dick, go handle these negotiations and save those other 3 from themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Flash Tizzle said: You’ll probably have to throw the opt-out in there, but everything else I’d be up for. Although I think it’ll take 350 to beat the Phillies at this point. Then do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Harper is the chance to right a wrong. You got out negotiated, now get back up and get in there. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I can’t take another presser with a clearly sweaty and glassy eyed Rick Hahn (after what was probably a good long cry) talking about failing to convert on Harper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Why would we go after Harper? We signed Guyer already. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Flash Tizzle said: You’ll probably have to throw the opt-out in there, but everything else I’d be up for. Although I think it’ll take 350 to beat the Phillies at this point. Hell give him 400. Otherwise I hope 100 fans show up to games this year and jr loses his ass on ticket sales. F yeah I'm okay with spite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, bschmaranz said: Why would we go after Harper? We signed Guyer already. I forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: For Harper, offer him 10/ $330 million guaranteed. No opt outs. Or give him a 5 year opt out. Even salary. He beats Machado. He beats Stanton. JR saves face. If Harper performs and Machado perform, they save money in the long run if the $350 million is accurate. Boras keeps his clients in shape. Harper plays hard, and is really the face of baseball. Win. Win. Makes too much sense to happen, unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: For Harper, offer him 10/ $330 million guaranteed. No opt outs. Or give him a 5 year opt out. Even salary. He beats Machado. He beats Stanton. JR saves face. If Harper performs and Machado perform, they save money in the long run if the $350 million is accurate. Boras keeps his clients in shape. Harper plays hard, and is really the face of baseball. Win. Win. This is exactly what needs to happen but it won't and that makes me sick to my stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) I’m not going to be a part of this thread reaching 257 pages by the time Harper signs....I mean it....I’m leaving here Edited February 19, 2019 by heirdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Goober said: Hell give him 400. Otherwise I hope 100 fans show up to games this year and jr loses his ass on ticket sales. F yeah I'm okay with spite It's not spite. It's not supporting a product that doesn't provide any value to us. The Sox are entertainment. I can find other ways to enjoy myself that aren't an embarrassment to a whole industry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 The difference in the contract's value to the player with or without an opt-out is enormous. That's a big thing to work out before you start throwing offers around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I fully expect Harper to sign a completely reasonable deal and the Sox brass will say that they were all in on Manny so they couldn't be part of the Harper sweepstakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, almagest said: It's not spite. It's not supporting a product that doesn't provide any value to us. The Sox are entertainment. I can find other ways to enjoy myself that aren't an embarrassment to a whole industry. That is the problem. The longer the Sox aren't entertaining the better the chance people who used to attend games find something else to do with their time, and stick with that even when the team gets better. Cleveland is an example. They sold out for years. Then were horrible. Now win the division every year and can't get a full house until playoff time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I just don't see Harper being as good as Machado... so even the prospect of signing Bryce isn't a redemption of failure to me. Really highlights how big of a mistake Tatis was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: That is the problem. The longer the Sox aren't entertaining the better the chance people who used to attend games find something else to do with their time, and stick with that even when the team gets better. Cleveland is an example. They sold out for years. Then were horrible. Now win the division every year and can't get a full house until playoff time. I know. None of you know me very well because I seldom post but I have been defending this organization and trusting them to be working to put the best product on the field throughout this rebuild. Today shows me that either that's not true or it could never be true because of their organizational philosophy (or just general incompetence). I would be one of the last people to say "I'm not watching or attending any games" yet here we are. This is absolutely not where this organization should be right now and its really sad. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I think it's very plausible and even likely that Harper is better than Machado, but he also is a poorer fit with our organizational depth. In a couple years, we should have a lot of young outfielders competing for one CF spot assuming that Harper and Eloy man the corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: For Harper, offer him 10/ $330 million guaranteed. No opt outs. Or give him a 5 year opt out. Even salary. He beats Machado. He beats Stanton. JR saves face. If Harper performs and Machado perform, they save money in the long run if the $350 million is accurate. Boras keeps his clients in shape. Harper plays hard, and is really the face of baseball. Win. Win. You have my vote. Sounds like a plan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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