Lillian Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 If all of this pessimism regarding the willingness of ownership to spend what it would take, is based upon the failure to sign Machado, it would be worth remembering that they made a very respectable offer and simply got out maneuvered, more than they got out bid. I would guess that if they could now change their offer to what Manny received, in order to land him, that they would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 23 hours ago, Jose Abreu said: I feel like we have this discussion every week, but like them or not, the insiders (not the fake Twitter accounts but the ones currently being discussed) do indeed know things, and to deny is it simply delusional given their track records. You can dislike them or the way they present info, but you're in denial if you're acting like they don't have any info to begin with. 1 minute ago, Lillian said: If all of this pessimism regarding the willingness of ownership to spend what it would take, is based upon the failure to sign Machado, it would be worth remembering that they made a very respectable offer and simply got out maneuvered, more than they got out bid. I would guess that if they could now change their offer to what Manny received, in order to land him, that they would. Agreed . Only $50 million short for Manny. What more could a fan base demand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lillian said: If all of this pessimism regarding the willingness of ownership to spend what it would take, is based upon the failure to sign Machado, it would be worth remembering that they made a very respectable offer and simply got out maneuvered, more than they got out bid. I would guess that if they could now change their offer to what Manny received, in order to land him, that they would. They haven't spent over 68 million dollars. Jerry rarely spends on how much it will it take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said: "Within Jerry Reinsdorf's limits" ok well there you have it folks. We can expect to be outbid by 50 million guaranteed Effort within his limits. So instead of falling 50 short, this time it will be 100. But hey, we tried. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, WBWSF said: If San Diego had signed Machado last month imagine how Soxfest would have been this year. I wonder if Hahn would have even showed up to face the fans. Keep in mind that after the White Flag trade was made, White Sox GM Ron Schueler didn't show up at Soxfest a few months later. He was too chicken to face the Sox fans. I think they would've showed up, but the booing would have been glorious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: Agreed . Only $50 million short for Manny. What more could a fan base demand? Putting aside, for a moment, the vesting additional money, how much could he have earned, based upon the performance based incentives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SonofaRoache Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, whitesoxwinner said: I think they would've showed up, but the booing would have been glorious There was no way the Sox wouldn't have stalled until after Soxfest good or bad. No way. An all out riot would have taken place. Asses would have gotten whipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said: I think they would've showed up, but the booing would have been glorious Booing is the least of their concern. Edited February 22, 2019 by SonofaRoache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Just now, Lillian said: Putting aside, for a moment, the vesting additional money, how much could he have earned, based upon the performance based incentives? There isn’t a player or agent alive that would think the Sox offer was better. The Sox do. BTW, no they wouldn’t have matched the offer. Read what Kenny said. They can’t win paying him that amount. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said: The Phillies aren't cheap, so apple's to oranges. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, SonofaRoache said: There was no way the Sox wouldn't have stalled until after Soxfest good or bad. No way. An all out riot would have taken place. Asses would have gotten whipped. If it did happen though, how awesome would the booing be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Just now, SonofaRoache said: The Phillies aren't cheap, so apple's to oranges. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: There isn’t a player or agent alive that would think the Sox offer was better. The Sox do. BTW, no they wouldn’t have matched the offer. Read what Kenny said. They can’t win paying him that amount. The Sox don't believe it either. Lie detector test time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNamesRod Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: The Phillies aren't cheap, so apple's to oranges. The Phillies weren't willing to pay 300 mil for Manny either sooooo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Does anyone else just get angry when they hear the Sox involved in rumors? There’s not a chance in hell they will sign anyone high profile - that’s been established as fact. Their lowball offers are clearly just fodder for agents looking to scare other teams and just a slap in the face to Sox fans. They should not be involved in any of these processes moving forward because it just ends up pissing off the fans. Yes - I am advocating they withdraw from all Tier 1 FA negotiations moving forward. They can stay in the mix for washed up over paid FAs because they’ve have basically cornered that market. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, MyNamesRod said: The Phillies weren't willing to pay 300 mil for Manny either sooooo? Because they want Harper more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, MyNamesRod said: The Phillies weren't willing to pay 300 mil for Manny either sooooo? Probably because they wanted Harper instead? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Just now, SonofaRoache said: The Phillies aren't cheap, so apple's to oranges. Exactly. This is the type of crap the Sox keep allowing to get out there that is frustrating to people. I don't doubt sources said it, it is just meaningless garbage that are keeping the Sox name in the news. If you don't question what sources are throwing at you at this point, then when? The Sox openly admitted the last bidding war they were "in" went past their comfort zone. This one will be higher with a more skilled agent. It's quotes like these that confirm the Sox are out, they shouldn't get people excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, MyNamesRod said: The Phillies weren't willing to pay 300 mil for Manny either sooooo? Because they want Harper more than Manny soooo...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 If Boras hates Lozano as much as rumored, I assume Harper picks a team tonight to take the shine off of Manny’s PC tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Certainly it would be nice to sign Harper. I know Rabbit said he doesn't expect it to happen, what I don't quite understand is why would they get involved even "in secret" if they can't or won't get past 300 million guaranteed? We know Boras won't sign for anything less than Manny. Do they think Bryce really doesn't want Philly bad enough to take 315 or something from them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said: That sounds a lot more positive than his previous tweet. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr. Showtime said: Certainly it would be nice to sign Harper. I know Rabbit said he doesn't expect it to happen, what I don't quite understand is why would they get involved even "in secret" if they can't or won't get past 300 million guaranteed? We know Boras won't sign for anything less than Manny. Do they think Bryce really doesn't want Philly bad enough to take 315 or something from them? With all due respect, people need to pretend KW never said the 300 million comment. They wouldn’t have met with Harper if that was true. I’ve said it before, but the 300 remark seemed like a bad response by KW instead of saying they blew it by thinking Lozano was bluffing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: With all due respect, people need to pretend KW never said the 300 million comment. They wouldn’t have met with Harper if that was true. I’ve said it before, but the 300 remark seemed like a bad response by KW instead of saying they blew it by thinking Lozano was bluffing. Kenny was candid and honest. They are indeed dumb, like believing they had a superior offer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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