fathom Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 And I will say this for shack...everything he's shared on here or told me about has been accurate regarding Manny. Never once did he say it was a done deal. What he did say is that he strongly believed the Sox would get him AS LONG AS they didn't blow the negotiations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, fathom said: And what I believe is they were told they have to match a 300 million dollar offer, and the Sox said "no thanks, we're good with our current offer" with the thought that Lozano was bluffing that they really had 300. And yes, shack told me shortly before the announcement what the Sox thought the Padres offer was at. What did they think it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, beckham15 said: I am not shack, but I believe they got one final chance to match or better the Padres offer and shot it down.... The best summary I can give is that sometime about 2 weeks ago Lozano received an offer from the Padres that was higher than the White Sox's offer. I don't believe he told them what the Padres offer was, but he told both the Phillies and White Sox that there was an offer higher than the White Sox's offer. On Monday, Lozano presented all 3 teams with a number he would sign for, regardless of the earlier numbers. He said Machado would sign for a $300 million guarantee. The Phillies said this was too rich for them. The White Sox increased their offer too the 250/8 that we heard, but would go no farther. The Padres said "Welcome to San Diego". One of those was the correct reply - if you bid against yourself by $10 million, that's not a big amount to get the contract actually done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, iamshack said: I honestly don’t know what their intentions would have been. I believe they did not anticipate the Padres offer was what it was, and I texted Fathom like 10 minutes before the deal was announced to that end. I did not spend much time posting on Soxtalk during the last several months, but I was extremely critical of their negotiation strategy in other areas in the weeks leading up to last Tuesday, and there are members of Soxtalk who can vouch for that. I will vouch for this. I personally actually believed they were handling things well. But I was not aware of the so-called $300M ceiling. Honestly, up to the Padres final offer, they probably were in the lead and handled it well. But they didn't close and that's all that matters at the end of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, justBLAZE said: What did they think it was? Well below that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said: I will vouch for this. I personally actually believed they were handling things well. But I was not aware of the so-called $300M ceiling. Honestly, up to the Padres final offer, they probably were in the lead and handled it well. But they didn't close and that's all that matters at the end of the day. Which is why I think the 300 million ceiling is and was total BS and just KW trying to justify how they blew the negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, fathom said: And I will say this for shack...everything he's shared on here or told me about has been accurate regarding Manny. Never once did he say it was a done deal. What he did say is that he strongly believed the Sox would get him AS LONG AS they didn't blow the negotiations. And Fathom was telling me “watch out for SD” and I told him 20 times Manny didn’t want to play there. He was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, iamshack said: Well below that Not referencing what we talked about, but I always go back to that tweet that some teams thought the Padres offer was 8/240 and others thought it was 8/280. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, iamshack said: If we just limit this to what was out on twitter, it appears Hector Gomez had their basic offer back in late January. So they did try to get this done earlier. The issue is they didn’t close and eventually they left the door open for someone like the Padres, who did. We should all know that Lozano was undoubtedly throwing all sorts of nonsense at them, which they were left to try to navigate the best they could. My guess is there were some things that they had sort of successfully busted as BS, and they thought the Padres’ offer was BS as well. Unfortunately, it was not. Appreciate the information. Very sad situation and unfortunate because as you noted this was the opportune time to strike and change the franchise for the next 5 years at least and their desire to not want to over spend hurt them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said: His point is the information provided trickles down from the front office. The Sox were shocked they didn't land Manny. If the Sox were confident and that trickles to those providing information to SoxTalk, what can anyone do? Given they were $50M short on the guarantee, they shouldn't have been that confident, but they were. But SD likely stepped up to the plate the day before he signed or that morning and MM/Lozano pounced. I have no doubt up until that point, MM was headed to Chicago. Unfortunately for the Sox, it tends to happen too much. Off the top of my head ARod, Vizquel (much smaller scale contract-wise), Torii Hunter, obviously Machdado, and even on the trade front, Miguel Cabrera. There are probably others I'm leaving out. It all happened at a 2 hour lunch that day...that's been reported out officially by the SD Union Tribune writers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, iamshack said: And Fathom was telling me “watch out for SD” and I told him 20 times Manny didn’t want to play there. He was right. Once we heard of the 2nd meeting with the Padres, I got super nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: It all happened at a 2 hour lunch that day...that's been reported out officially by the SD Union Tribune writers. The thing that sucks is if Nightengale is to be believed, the Padres weren't going to up their offer from 300 if someone matched it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, beckham15 said: I am not shack, but I believe they got one final chance to match or better the Padres offer and shot it down.... This did not happen. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrad Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, KiwiSox said: Aside from Eloy there is nothing exciting about any young player under the White Sox control. Anyone looking forward to Seby Zavala is nuts. Great post 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, iamshack said: I honestly do not know who their preference was. It seems to have changed over time. That said, who you prefer and who may appear to be more attainable may be different things. I always thought the Sox preferred Machado and was the more attainable of the two. Maybe not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, fathom said: Which is why I think the 300 million ceiling is and was total BS and just KW trying to justify how they blew the negotiations. I agree with you fathom. 100%. I have been highly criticized for that belief (and one other belief) by several people. @iamshack can vouch for that. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiSox Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, ron883 said: Dylan cease sucks 21 minutes ago, shipps said: I am so angry at the Sox. I am negative everything with them. I don’t even know if I want to continue being a fan of this team. But this statement sucks and is just flat out wrong. You lose credibility with this. You are banished from my mind good sir! Who is worth getting excited about? Moncada and Anderson arr hopeless, Giolito and Lopez are clearly not cut out for being major league starters, Kopech is hurt and Cease's injury red flags are terrifying. Robert, Adolfo, Madrigal, Burger, Dunning...they all went back this year. Madrigal maybe unfairly, he's the one we can still expect to be something, but the rest just blew. Personally I think Blake Rutherford has to potential to be a really special player but not many share my optimism regarding him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Whitesox27 said: I always thought the Sox preferred Machado and was the more attainable of the two. Maybe not. I would think so too. Expected to be cheaper that Harper (going into the offseason as well), better positional fit, spent money and a prospect to bring in close friends. Edited February 25, 2019 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 46 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Wow...I was actually mentioned on Twitter, he sincerely made my day, lol. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kpet1010 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, iamshack said: Point taken. At the same time, when the forum has degenerated into something where posters with a positive outlook are going to be insulted, mocked, etc., then the forum has become something it shouldn’t have, regardless of the level of disappointment in the FO at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Some blue check mark saying Harper to the Phils for $330, 8-10 years. Seems a bit vague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, KiwiSox said: Who is worth getting excited about? Moncada and Anderson arr hopeless, Giolito and Lopez are clearly not cut out for being major league starters, Kopech is hurt and Cease's injury red flags are terrifying. Robert, Adolfo, Madrigal, Burger, Dunning...they all went back this year. Madrigal maybe unfairly, he's the one we can still expect to be something, but the rest just blew. Personally I think Blake Rutherford has to potential to be a really special player but not many share my optimism regarding him. Adolfo and Dunning has quite good, albeit short years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: I always thought the Sox preferred Machado and was the more attainable of the two. Maybe not. I always thought Harper was their dream acquisition while Manny was more attainable. Who would you want as the face of your organization, the most popular player in baseball or someone who just disgrace themselves with their actions in the postseason during a contract season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, iamshack said: Some blue check mark saying Harper to the Phils for $330, 8-10 years. Seems a bit vague. supposedly a prediction, not a sourced tweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said: I agree with you fathom. 100%. I have been highly criticized for that belief (and one other belief) by several people. @iamshack can vouch for that. LOL Yes, by the one and only...oh, I can’t name him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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